Importance of Gorton and Denton

I did say moral values. And I gave the example of moving from left to the far right being unlikely, because that was the specific example that started the discussion. However, I didn't say that someone couldn't equally have moral values that would prevent them from moving from the far right to the left. It was you that made the assumption that moral values = left leaning. I made no comment on that.

Saying that I base my voting intentions on my moral values is simply a statement of fact. If that fact makes you uncomfortable, then so be it.

It is also a statement of fact that some people base their voting intentions on self interest - equally, that could apply to left or right. I am not criticising the people who vote for what matters to them at the time. I'm just saying that it's much easier to switch between different political extremes if you don't see it as a moral judgement.

Tbf, you didn't say core values, you referred to voting based on moral values vs self interest which infers some sort of judgement.

I'm a floating voter because I don't feel a need to show allegiance to any political party or want to base my self worth on bring perceived in a certain 'good' way. I did that when I was younger but dont feel the need now.

I've voted for all parties across the spectrum including Greens, Labour, Liberal Dem, Independent and Tory. Some I voted for because I believed they were the best option, others I voted for because they were the least worse.

I've never voted Reform and don't plan to, but if the only alternative was Zack Polanskis Greens then I would consider it depending on the local candidate.

I don't need to know their reasoning. It is simply basic common sense that vast swathes of the population won't suddenly be ripping up everything they have ever believed in and adopting a set of values that are the polar opposite of what they previously held dear!

Obviously you don’t know their intentions or reasoning, I’m not sure why you think you would know this and to post it with such certainty.

All you can know is how many are switching and rn Labour are shedding voters.

No, that isn't actually what I said at all (regardless of what I might personally think on the matter ). Read my post again.

I said that some people decide their voting intentions on the basis of their core values - whether those values might cause them to lean left or lean right is irrelevant. Core values are central to who we are as people. They don't tend to change very much, and so voting intentions are not that likely to change dramatically either. That doesn't mean that they might not shift allegiance from one party to another - e.g. Labour to Green or Tory to Reform. But they're unlikely to shift from one end of the spectrum to the other, where parties have next to no core values in common.

Other people just look at whichever party they believe will serve their own personal interests best at the time. In other words, it doesn't come down to a question of personal values and they don't perceive it to be a reflection in any way of who they are. Those people are typically the floating voters who switch around between parties depending on their priorities at any given time.

You've clearly missed the point that I was making.

The people who are switching are not the ones who base their voting intentions on core values. I have already acknowledged that there are other voters who vote according to their perceived self interest and whatever their particular priorities are at any given time. They are the people who are switching - not the people who are driven by deeply held convictions about what's right and what's wrong.

People are shifting from Labour to Reform. More than any other crossing from one party to another rn. That part of the post doesn’t hold up.

No, that isn't actually what I said at all (regardless of what I might personally think on the matter ). Read my post again.

I said that some people decide their voting intentions on the basis of their core values - whether those values might cause them to lean left or lean right is irrelevant. Core values are central to who we are as people. They don't tend to change very much, and so voting intentions are not that likely to change dramatically either. That doesn't mean that they might not shift allegiance from one party to another - e.g. Labour to Green or Tory to Reform. But they're unlikely to shift from one end of the spectrum to the other, where parties have next to no core values in common.

Other people just look at whichever party they believe will serve their own personal interests best at the time. In other words, it doesn't come down to a question of personal values and they don't perceive it to be a reflection in any way of who they are. Those people are typically the floating voters who switch around between parties depending on their priorities at any given time.

Your comment doesn't bear any relevance to the post that you have quoted. I can only conclude that you didn't understand the point that was being made.

I don’t think it’s correct either but I do see similar posts on here from Labour.

This framing doesn’t mean much. We got landslides with Blair and Johnson and then post 2024 Labour voters moving to Reform. People don’t change that much, politicians just lose their vote.

Are you saying that people who vote for left leaning parties have higher moral values than those who vote for right leaning parties because I'd have to respectfully disagree.

Are you saying that people who vote for left leaning parties have higher moral values than those who vote for right leaning parties because I'd have to respectfully disagree.

Believe that you’ll believe anything.

There is nothing remotely bizarre about it if you base your voting intentions on moral values rather than perceived self interest.

To shift from left leaning values to far right values overnight would necessitate a very dramatic personality shift indeed. You would basically have to abandon any pre-existing notions about right or wrong and start again from scratch. You would be a totally different person with a totally different understanding of morality.

Of course, if you base your vote on your own (perceived) self interest, then you won't see it in the same way.

There is nothing remotely bizarre about it if you base your voting intentions on moral values rather than perceived self interest.

To shift from left leaning values to far right values overnight would necessitate a very dramatic personality shift indeed. You would basically have to abandon any pre-existing notions about right or wrong and start again from scratch. You would be a totally different person with a totally different understanding of morality.

Of course, if you base your vote on your own (perceived) self interest, then you won't see it in the same way.

Fair enough, to you, who you vote for is a defining part of your personality. For most people, many of who are floating voters, I don't think it's that tribal.

This is one of the most bizarre statements I've ever read re: voting. Who you vote for (in any election) isn't a defining part of your personality FGS !!

Positive engagement, it appears.

What's Goodwin up to?

Fair enough, to you, who you vote for is a defining part of your personality. For most people, many of who are floating voters, I don't think it's that tribal.