Importance of Gorton and Denton

It isn’t the big thing that certain voices on the left are making it out to be and Gorton and Denton is not an area of significant focus for reform.

I’m amazed that Matt Goodwin did so well actually considering the voter demographic and it gives me hope that the Greens won’t do as well in other areas. They come across as harmless. But they are not the same Green Party that they used to be. They are an extreme hard left party and life in the UK would be utterly miserable for the average working family if they ever got in.

I do wonder if the people who say they will vote for them have actually read any of their policies or if they are just voting Green for tactical reasons.

I know I did- the data we had was saying one thing. So either people lied or the data was flawed.
I am really sad about it - and genuinely surprised at the margin.

i hope the people of Gorton and Denton are very happy with their choice.
I also hope the rest of the population see what the greens are - lol. Enjoy !

You called it incorrectly @patooties

True - it wasn't close and as such it won't have affected the results.

That said I was quite interested to see that in response to the incidents of "family voting" observed by Democracy Volunteers, Manchester City Council said that they should have reported it to the local polling station staff.

Democracy Volunteers respond with "we did do that and reported to polling station staff.".

Manchester City Council responds with "well we never received any reports from our polling station staff of family voting ".

So who is either lying or failing to pass on allegations of family voting and what is their motive.

Incidentally Democracy Volunteers is a respected international organisation monitoring elections around the world.

Fortunately it wasn't in any way close.

The value of a vote was illustrate when the thousands of people unlawfully denied one in the 2019 EU elections got fuck all in restitution

Citizen: I was unlawfully prevented from casting my vote.
System: That's terrible, here's what a vote is worth: £0. Now fuck off.

You are Stewart Lee and I Claim My Five Pounds.

Thought I would get it in before the results are announced (so that I can't be accused of bias) - there are serious reports from the election monitors "Democracy Volunteers " of concerning high levels of family voting offences occurring in 15 out of the 22 polling stations observed.

So be ready for whichever party comes in a close second to raise questions on the legitimacy of the election and its result.

Nail on the head!!!

Well, it might not be true. But what it tells us is...

It just shows how easy it is for disinformation to spread if it hits the right note for someone.

Plus I’m not sure why that question based on @TheNuthatchpost

No, I'm a conservative. Why?

Are you a supporter of Advance UK?

I'd be very surprised if BB was from what I have seen of their posts on this thread. Are you a Reform supporter?

This is false. Are you a supporter of Advance UK? Their candidate has been spreading this image.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/fact-checked-post-claiming-reform-33456292

Where did you see that? On the actual Telegraph app?

Fake news, apparently. Although it is very believable.

Oh dear.

Anyone seen this one?!

Well he is certainly more of a public servant than Farage or breast hypnotist Polanski don't you think?

😂😂😂😂😂😂’that’s the kind of public servant he is’ 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for the laugh that has cheered up my day -he so isn’t 😂😂😂

Well if you increase taxation on people working and increase benefits for people not working, then don't be surprised when there are less people are in work.

Its not complicated.

I would imagine it’s data - we have decades of data - it’s whether they will be inspired to vote at all. that’s the GTVO operation that Reform want 1000 volunteers for.
Everyone who’s previously polled as Labour will be squeezed by us - same goes for every party.
Quite a lot of vocal FB people - from my own experience are not on the electoral register and/or don’t vote.
The Greens and Reform making it look like a 2 horse race is an interesting tactic - and to my mind their own data is starting to look shaky - it is in their best interests to act as thought Labour are nowhere near.
The reality being - they won it with a huge majority, it is and has been a solid Labour seat for years. vote Green - get reform.

The boundary changes have left a weird constituency- its mainly students, some posh lefties, Muslim families and white working class around Burnage. The tacking on of Denton is the only way Reform are getting a sniff.

I am a Labour person - I’m not claiming to know anything. Nobody is more surprised than I am that this looks so close. I thought we’d be dead in the water. I am not sure this is the referendum on Keir’s leadership people are making it out to be.

I don’t think Keir will be the pm in a year but he will not resign after this. If Labour does end up coming through the middle then all bets are off.

He will potentially have to go after the locals - but I suspect will usher through the changes/ reforms to benefits and any other unpopular bits of legislation before he goes letting the ‘new’ leader start afresh and ‘bed in’ after he’s fone the dirty work . That’s the kind of public servant he is.

What do you want to do about benefits culture? I might not disagree.

And not learn from history? The history which made the “benefits culture” are part of society?

Yes I can see why some are so keen to gloss over that destructive effect on society but you can’t deal with today’s problems without understanding and acknowledging previous disastrous mistakes.

= Unemployment. Unfortunately for them. Already threads on stressed young adult dcs on here. Showing how it’s impacting their MH.