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Ohcrap082024 · 2026-01-25T12:11:22+00:00

Just being reported on BBC news now. The NEC has met and refused to allow Andy Burnham to stand in the by-election. This is looking very bad for Starmer.

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Ohcrap082024 · 25/01/2026 15:07

Sidebeforeself · 25/01/2026 14:52

@Ohcrap082024 Does he think the Under25s will support the Greens in huge numbers? That’s one of my fears.

Yep, Zack Polanski is speaking very clearly to younger voters. But so is Farage.

They want change.

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FlyingApple · 25/01/2026 15:06

What is Keir thinking? He can't keep trying to stop elections that he doesn't like.

tobee · 25/01/2026 15:06

More fool the under 25s for not voting then. Fat lot of good that'll do them.

HappyFace2025 · 25/01/2026 15:05

thedramaQueen · 25/01/2026 14:59

https://privatisation.everydoctor.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/MPs-Interests-Report-Formatv1.4.pdf

Plenty of information out there on the internet. It’s well known regarding Streeting.

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Thanks. Will read up more. It is shocking. I was aware that the Conservatives wanted to move the NHS towards private healthcare but not tha Labour was continuing that policy.

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Ohcrap082024 · 25/01/2026 15:04

HappyFace2025 · 25/01/2026 14:53

'The Labour vote for Labour in the under 25s in the next GE will be non existent'

Who does your 17 year old son think his cohort will vote for, @Ohcrap082024 bearing in mind that most of them won't have studied politics like he has?

My DS predicts that there will be a big drop in the percentage of under 25s voting. Except in areas where uni students will mobilise against Reform.

He predicts a big split along the lines of uni educated vs not.

Uni educated (especially those still in education) will go Green Party. Those who have left education at 18 or before, will go Reform.

He doesn’t know anyone who will vote Tory nor will vote for a Starmer Labour.

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luckylavender · 25/01/2026 15:03

Guidanceplease20 · 25/01/2026 12:28

Starmer is toast now. This makes him look extremely weak.

I like Burnham a lot, so Im not coming into this unbiassed, but Starmer needs to understand that he is losing support and that is the way leaderships go - theres never a good time. Don't hang on by a thread the post isnt about you - its about the UK.

I think AB is a fantastic mayor. He was a very average Cabinet minister and has already tried to become Labour Party leader twice and failed twice. Changing leaders constantly killed the Tories. Now is not the time. 18 months is really no time at all with the state of the country.

tobee · 25/01/2026 15:03

I don't know why people rate Andy Burnham. I know he's very fond of himself though. And I don't know why he's so keen on stoking up the sort of psychodrama that the Tories have been living the last decade or so. It doesn't exactly reek of having the best interest of the party, or the country. I dislike disloyalty.

Sesma · 25/01/2026 15:03

I can't recall that ABs stint as health secretary was that good, maybe have a look at that in some detail

thedramaQueen · 25/01/2026 14:59

HappyFace2025 · 25/01/2026 14:55

What funding has Streeting received from private healthcare providers?

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https://privatisation.everydoctor.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/MPs-Interests-Report-Formatv1.4.pdf

Plenty of information out there on the internet. It’s well known regarding Streeting.

https://privatisation.everydoctor.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/MPs-Interests-Report-Formatv1.4.pdf

HappyFace2025 · 25/01/2026 14:55

thedramaQueen · 25/01/2026 14:52

This!!

Wes Streeting is incredibly ambitious and I would fear for our NHS if he was to become Labour Party leader given all the funding he’s received from private healthcare providers…

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What funding has Streeting received from private healthcare providers?

caringcarer · 25/01/2026 14:54

Ohcrap082024 · 25/01/2026 14:50

Just had a long convo with my very politically aware 17 who is revising for his Politics A Level mock exam. He is furious. He is driven by a very strong sense of fairness and is furious that, as he sees it, Starmer and his allies have used their powers to block democracy.

His key point is that the vast majority of people who vote in General Elections are not discussing this in depth. They will listen to the soundbites around Burnham’s popularity and see it that Starmer is running scared. That Starmer has gifted all his opponents with a huge stick to beat him with.

My son argues that the NEC should have let Burnham stand and Starmer should face him head on. That the Burnham question isn’t going away. That the Labour vote among the under 25s in the next GE will be non existent.

I agree with your DS. Blocking democracy is wrong but Starmer is a blocker as he is a coward who is terrified of losing.

HappyFace2025 · 25/01/2026 14:53

'The Labour vote for Labour in the under 25s in the next GE will be non existent'

Who does your 17 year old son think his cohort will vote for, @Ohcrap082024 bearing in mind that most of them won't have studied politics like he has?

caringcarer · 25/01/2026 14:52

Starmer is a tin pot dictator. He blocks local elections because he knows Labour candidates will have huge losses. He blocks AB because he knows he is popular among Labour MP's and if it came down to a leadership vote Starmer would lose. It should be illegal for him to do all this blocking.

thedramaQueen · 25/01/2026 14:52

Violetparis · 25/01/2026 14:48

Keir Starmer is doomed as leader with or without Andy Burnham as an MP. Wes Streeting will be happy today.

This!!

Wes Streeting is incredibly ambitious and I would fear for our NHS if he was to become Labour Party leader given all the funding he’s received from private healthcare providers…

Sidebeforeself · 25/01/2026 14:52

@Ohcrap082024 Does he think the Under25s will support the Greens in huge numbers? That’s one of my fears.

explanationplease · 25/01/2026 14:51

It does look ridiculous and untrue that they claimed it was a financial decision and would get in the way of the elections.

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Ohcrap082024 · 25/01/2026 14:50

Just had a long convo with my very politically aware 17 who is revising for his Politics A Level mock exam. He is furious. He is driven by a very strong sense of fairness and is furious that, as he sees it, Starmer and his allies have used their powers to block democracy.

His key point is that the vast majority of people who vote in General Elections are not discussing this in depth. They will listen to the soundbites around Burnham’s popularity and see it that Starmer is running scared. That Starmer has gifted all his opponents with a huge stick to beat him with.

My son argues that the NEC should have let Burnham stand and Starmer should face him head on. That the Burnham question isn’t going away. That the Labour vote among the under 25s in the next GE will be non existent.

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Sidebeforeself · 25/01/2026 14:48

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 14:45

Rumours are that he wants to have Rayner as his deputy if he does get to number 10 via the route he wants to take. This alone should make him absolutely a no go for PM. She was found to be corrupt and trying to cheat the system whilst Starmer’s deputy. And he thinks it a good idea to get her back into a post she was previously sacked from?! Unbelievable….

Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s just letting her think that so he can benefit from her support.

Violetparis · 25/01/2026 14:48

Keir Starmer is doomed as leader with or without Andy Burnham as an MP. Wes Streeting will be happy today.

thedramaQueen · 25/01/2026 14:46

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 25/01/2026 12:39

I think Burnham made the wrong choice in putting himself forward. For all Starmer's faults - and he has many - the Labour Party needs to stay united and focus on governing the country right now.

Unfortunately, I think the NEC has also probably made the wrong decision in not letting Burnham stand. It will just create more division and infighting, when they should be working together to address the major challenges that we face as a country.

I actually wish that we had a rule in place that said that parties can't change their leaders mid term without calling a general election. Once elected, they should stop squabbling amongst themselves and focus on the job that they were elected to do.

Agree. But for slightly different reasons. Andy Burnham was wrong to put himself forward as he should not be abandoning Manchester half way through his term. It’s bad for numerous reasons.

But as you say it now looks worse that he’s been blocked. If anything this will serve Andy Burnham well in the long run, as he can finish his term as Major and look around for an opportunity when that’s finished.

Also agree about not being allowed to change Prime Ministers without an election. Also think there should be by-elections when MP defect other parties.

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2026 14:45

Rumours are that he wants to have Rayner as his deputy if he does get to number 10 via the route he wants to take. This alone should make him absolutely a no go for PM. She was found to be corrupt and trying to cheat the system whilst Starmer’s deputy. And he thinks it a good idea to get her back into a post she was previously sacked from?! Unbelievable….

HappyFace2025 · 25/01/2026 14:42

itsthetea · 25/01/2026 14:01

I always thought that as mayor he couldn’t stand ?

He can't but if he'd got backing today would have had to stand down as Mayor.

Ovalframes · 25/01/2026 14:33

I blame the unions 100%. They are meant to work for their members not run the country for their own benefit. They saddled us with the wrong Milliband and it has been downhill ever since. And the misogyny is dreadful.

LupaMoonhowl · 25/01/2026 14:21

LaurieFairyCake · 25/01/2026 13:19

I‘m a HUGE fan of Burnham but I don’t agree with others on the thread. He’s been blocked because he’s doing such a good job.

Its not democratically useful to move him 🤷‍♀️

we tend not to clear seats for popular figures, that’s just who we are as a party.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Meadowfinch · 25/01/2026 14:17

Typical Labour head in the sand behaviour...

Fingers in ears, chanting "everyone loves us", "the may elections are in the bag", "Nigel who..."

Andy Burnham is probably their best hope of staving off Reform at the next GE.