Burnham has been blocked!

Is sock puppets the new go-to instead of accusing people of being bots?

By the way, you can't name change on a thread, so it's a totally baseless accusation.

Sock puppet, bot, don’t care about poor people , Russian, racist, stupid, gammon, transphobe ….there’s a huge long list of words intended to shut down any debate when you don’t agree with them. It’s not really working anymore though.

Is sock puppets the new go-to instead of accusing people of being bots?

By the way, you can't name change on a thread, so it's a totally baseless accusation.

Honestly this thread feels like it’s been targeted by sock puppets. I live in a historically safe Cons seat that went Lib Dem recently and most people think Starmer is doing just fine, given the hand he was dealt. Agree that AB has gone too soon and what this country needs is stability.

My biggest worry for Keir is his own party, who don’t have the best track record with leaders!

But I bet you worked in the public sector, Labour supporters are generally public sector or on benefits

Speaking as a mancunian, good.

I think starmer is doing his best with a shitty hand. I think Burnham is much needed to finish what he started as mayor for GM. I can't see how he could do a better job as PM than Starmer.

Plus I really don't want reform to gain any ground in GM. I can't see a labour candidate being that popular right now or as able to do the mayor job as Andy can.

Lots of things would have to line up 1) AB would have to win Gorton 2) he'd have to mount a successful leadership challenge 3) his leadership would have to make a difference. Note that 3) is dependent on stagnating UK economy, complete lack of funds for public services stretched beyond breaking point by the Tories and a fractured geopolitical environment in which the last lot completely buggered our international standing with Brexit. I don't think Andy can save the situation.

May as well bring back David Milliband and have him mount a challenge. At least that doesn't cause problems in the already struggling North.

Yes, it’s quite obvious that Labour’s remaining demographic support is basically anyone who doesn’t work and a few public sector workers. I expected them to be bad, but it’s amazing just how fast they’ve managed this.

I think it's something much simpler - they are just not up the the job of governance. I think the quality of our elected MP's has been on the slide for years. I look back at Blair's cabinet and see the likes of Jack Straw, Robin Cook, David Milliband, Margaret Beckett, Claire Short, Mo Mowlem. Do you see Nandy, Lammy and Reeves in the same league? I just see a lack of competence.

Of course everyone knows this, it’s why we have so many issues. The actual economics, the mechanics of generating the money or the people involved it doing so is not a feature of the thinking of general Labour supporters and therefore the party itself. It’s actually in Labour's interests to keep as much of the voting population reliant on the state for benefits or public sector employment as possible, everyone else is at best an inconvenience or in the case current Government actually opponents who need to be taxed out of existence until they see the light.

But I bet you worked in the public sector, Labour supporters are generally public sector or on benefits

Honestly this thread feels like it’s been targeted by sock puppets. I live in a historically safe Cons seat that went Lib Dem recently and most people think Starmer is doing just fine, given the hand he was dealt. Agree that AB has gone too soon and what this country needs is stability.

My biggest worry for Keir is his own party, who don’t have the best track record with leaders!

Honestly this thread feels like it’s been targeted by sock puppets. I live in a historically safe Cons seat that went Lib Dem recently and most people think Starmer is doing just fine, given the hand he was dealt. Agree that AB has gone too soon and what this country needs is stability.

My biggest worry for Keir is his own party, who don’t have the best track record with leaders!

This sort of language always puzzles me. Insults, calling them thick, racists, flag shaggers, etc etc isn't going to bring people back to voting Labour again. The working class traditionally voted Labour, but times are changing. By not understanding the electorate and insulting them is one way to ensure they never vote Labour again. Both Labour and the Tories are struggling, Reform have grasped the opportunity to gain support. Why are people drawn to Reform? Because neither the Tories or Labour are appealing to them, neither offers anything at the moment, no hope, no talent, no pride in our politicians. The way to beat Reform is to get better quality politicians on all sides who listen to the electorate's concerns not insult them.

This lifelong Labour supporter certainly isn’t benefit dependent. We both claim our state pensions because we worked 40+ years to qualify for them - a fair amount goes straight back in tax.

Getting back to the point of the thread - maybe Burnham could stand as an Independent 😁

What does? Being benefit dependent correlates with Labour supporters? Well I suppose it would do.

What does? Being benefit dependent correlates with Labour supporters? Well I suppose it would do.

What does? Critiquing the Tories correlates with Labour supporters? Well I suppose it would do.

It does very much strongly correlate with Labour supporters.

Apart from women who want single sex spaces in Manchester, and victims of grooming gangs who wanted a full inquiry - he blocked both those things.

No, not really. They think every single one of their woes is due to immigration. Most of them have little to no insight or ambition beyond that.