Any Americans on here? What is the feeling in America regarding trump?

This idea that Trump speaks to the common man is just baffling. He will exploit them for the power they give him, when he can stand on a platform and address them as the formless mass they are, but as real people, as individuals with lives and hopes and fears and dreams - it’s not just that he doesn’t care about them, he clearly loathes them.

Is he building his ballroom for Americas poor and huddled masses? Are his weekends spent in soup kitchens, or talking to normal people about their lives? No, if he’s not playing golf he is holed up in his Mar a Lago palace, shitting on golden toilets and ensuring that the only people who can get close to him are already dripping with money and power. You just know how he speaks about ordinary people when the microphones are off - they mean nothing apart from the use he can make of them.

That this is not obvious to every ordinary American is a mystery that should be studied - how can people be so masochistic!

So... he fancies Scotland (after all he has a golf club there)

Should we stand by and let him just take it?

He's a fascist megalomaniac and needs to be stopped

He wants Greenland for his own personal profit

Putin wants Ukraine for the same reason Trump wants Greenland. It’s all about natural resources. This is also why he took Venezuela. Parasitical Behaviour.

They are thickos because they believe his lies. He’s not talking down to them but he’s lying to them, he’s promising things that he can’t ever deliver. After Brexit and red bus one should understand that’s a lie but they are stupid so they don’t get it

What the Farage who went to Dulwich College and was a Trader in the City, didn't men who were bullied by him recently speak up about his extreme views? So relatable isn't he!

I do think his lying is of a different scale. But the point is, if you're willing to vote for someone with such a clear record of (well, it's a lengthy list) just to shove it to the people who said you were thick, maybe it's not the best way to make a decision?

It’s his base. He has 25-30% support for pretty much anything. “I could shoot a man on 5th avenue”

But that has come down from what used to be 40%. We can only hope it continues to reduce.

Oh for sure. But who isn't being lied to by politicians?

It would be like Britain giving Ireland, Scotland or Wales to the Trump. We don't own them and Denmark doesn't own Greenland. Would you be OK with that because Trump could take them by force? So basically Trump can do whatever he likes anywhere in the World. And if that's the case the west has no moral high ground on Russia and Ukraine or China and Taiwan, big countries can just take what they want.

They were actually stupid though.

so it explains why they don’t understand implications of voting for Trump even when it ends up against their interests. Because stupid people do fall prey to socialism much easier.
and also because they don’t care about anything outside the US because they nothing about it and they don’t care about it.

also farming doesn’t require anyone to be intelligent. It requires someone to be hard working and that’s all. My grandfather was a farmer (although he was not an American farmer and read books) so don’t give me this BS

they'll vote for Farage who actively targets that socio-economic group and doesn't talk down to them.

But lies to them.

Same here. Those on the left sneer at all the "thickos" who have different views to them. Then they act shocked that they'll vote for Farage who actively targets that socio-economic group and doesn't talk down to them.

Sorry? Not sure I'm understand you, but I'll try.

I'm asking a specific question. @YourGoldSquid asserted that one of the reasons American support Trump and what's happening is due to their overwhelming concern about an alleged lack of free speech in the UK. So I'm curious about this:

I assume those Americans you reference above who are so worried about a lack of free speech in the UK, were beyond appalled by JD Vance's suggestion that people be terminated from their jobs for that (criticising Charlie Kirk post-assassination)?

And please note, I did not imply at any point that I'm in favour of murdering anyone for anything they've said. But surely those who approve should be entitled to their free speech? Since we're such absolutists.

@YourGoldSquid Any response?

I lived in rural ALABAMA so I do know what actual hillbillies are like.

@Nesbitogally agree with this. The nepotism and greed shown by the Trump family and making a fortune out of his presidency is absolutely repugnant. The corruption is off the scale

I remember when 9/11 happened and the western world stood with the US, and with its Republican president.

I suspect if something like 9/11 happened again the response would be far more muted, much more of a shrug and a “sad, but you reap what you sow” attitude.

The new US has shown that it is no friend of Europe, it will use its economic and military power to bully, to threaten, to flout international law. The new US will happily steal oil from a country’s people with no pretence and no shame. It will look enviously at a peaceful country and see an opportunity to acquire Lebensraum. Why would anyone ever stand with a country so willing to burn its allies, allies who sent their own soldiers to die in deserts at America’s call?

The face of the US is now Trump sticking up his middle finger, Trump mocking disabled people, Trump making himself and his family vastly more wealthy through his abuse of public office. I know there are plenty of good people in the US, but this man is now the image you present to the world.

@Fiftyniftystateswe can’t just ignore what’s going on in the US. It affects us too much. The tariffs, the threats to Greenland -as a NATO country it affects us directly. The internal US stuff, yes, I find ICE horrifying but if people voted for it, so be it. @YourGoldSquid you say there’s only another 2 years to go, but European economies are too dependent on the US and tariffs will have severe effects. I agree we need to do the most we can to resist. Refuse the state visit, FIFA should cancel the World Cup and move it to another country next year. We should discourage tourism. Anything at all to try to fight back against the tariffs and Trump’s treatment of Europe.
He has made good points in the past on defence spending, and NATO are stepping up more, but seizure of another country is unjustified. Following WWII the US agreed with Greenland to have as many military there as they wanted for security. There had been 26 bases and these have been stripped back. There is no reason these couldn’t be increased again with Greenland’s agreement. But of course it isn’t really the security that concerns Trump, it’s the rare earth minerals, same as in Ukraine. He just wants to get his hands on them rather than just negotiate for US countries to work with Greenland on their extraction. Its ownership and greed, not security.

But that isn't happening here, the cultural neurosis over these issues isn't something your average Brit worries about- you are just describing the Maga view of the UK, people are locked up for speaking by Khan as he is now King, everyone secretly wants to be American as we have nothing really in common with our very close neighbours in Europe, despite many of us having family from there, going back a generation or two, despite most of us mainly holidaying there.

Friends and peers I have are all intellectually free agents, they are able to discern what is cultural war BS and don't care enough. Like many Americans they just want a stromg economy, to live in a democracy, to know their grandparents didn't sacrifice their lives or health in a world war that's been forgotten about. To want their own children to live in as safe and secure world as possible within a positive and productive world.

So why is US immigration looking at tourist social media? what would it matter what they had written on social media to enter the US?

But Scotland threatened her. Sturgeon called her out by name. She has been oppressed.

And I guess it is OK that you can be investigated for non-crime hate incidents? WTF is that about? Do cops have nothing better to do than harass Posey Parker?

When she came to Florida, she famously said "I'm not a vet but I know what a dog is." No police showed up. Nobody got hurt. It's just words that you can agree with or not.

I mean look, if the British people are cool with these laws, who the hell am I to tell them otherwise. But it just seems interesting that the only speech suppressed is so-called "conservative" speech. Apparently, calling for the death of Jews is cool. But you object to the spending on asylum seekers? Bigot.

Right or wrong, Americans see this as absolute oppression of a specific political viewpoint. Same thing happens here. At Harvard:

"Jews run the world and commit genocide" -- totally cool.

"Black people are the root of all American crime." - you would be dead within 10 minutes.

You mean as opposed to murdering someone who said something they didn’t like?

What do you think would have happened if we’d have declared war on Germany in 1938?

(Again, this isn’t a post about what ‘should’ happen. But the lesson from history is that if you deprioritize both military and economic strength you quickly find yourself a bystander. That’s what we have done).

Weird how the 'free speech' warriors were the ones wanting doxxing of people who said anything negative about Charlie Kirk.

So weird.

I assume those Americans you reference above who are so worried about a lack of free speech in the UK, were beyond appalled by JD Vance's suggestion that people be terminated from their jobs for that?

To be fair to Chamberlain, he knew in 1938 the RAF was in no state to match the Luftwaffe, Czechoslovakia’s borders were indefensible, and the country was dead against another war.

He wasn’t prepared to play cards that the UK didn’t have at that time.

Greenland’s borders are just as indefensible and the US militarily outmatches Europe. Could we get to military parity with the US in 18 months? Not a chance in hell.

We have levers like switching off Five Eyes cooperation or selling US treasury bonds. Would the UK public wear the resulting cost of living spike, likely recession, and increased terror risks? I think unlikely.

None of my post is about what ‘should’ happen. But UK/European leaders have got very used to talking endlessly about what ‘should’ happen while giving away the cards they need to make their words mean anything.

So roll over and allow someone to nab someone else’s country then?

Gosh, hasn’t that always gone well in the past?