If this doesn't wake people up to the vile person Farage is ....

Yes you are right - those poor bands that can’t make it to their gigs without filling their paperwork in… literally peak middle class out of touch mumsnet. Go talk to some low skilled workers who can’t get jobs due to all our ‘imports’ and I will cry you a river.

let me fix that for you:

I don’t know why people are proud to be left wing, you’re basically saying you have no grasp of history and don’t give a fuck about all the repression, misery and failed attempts at spending other people’s money.

Whataboutery. Please try again.

@Alexandra2001
If Farage was tricked into supporting this vile child abuser, then issue a sincere apology.. but he hasn't....

I don’t see he has anything to apologize for (from this episode).

The person responsible for the offence caused from this is the prankster.

You might remember that minor flap about the local politician who used the word ‘niggardly’ in a speech and was misunderstood. (It’s a totally different etymology). It offended a colleague, no doubt sincerely, who complained.

Imagine if it turned out that the word had been put into his speech by a political opponent who then spread the clip widely, claiming it was the n-word, causing great offence, as was part of the opponent’s plan.

The person who caused the harm in that case, and who should apologize, would be the one who nobbled the speech.

Yet in this Farage scenario they are somehow the hero? Doesn’t make sense.

As (I think) the saying goes -
When the USA catches cold, Britain sneezes.

Coming to town near you, folks.

You can vote for who you like, its a free country but on polling, just 24% intend to vote Reform & a further 18% Conservative, more people support centre and left parties than right wing ones.

We just have a messed up voting system.

If Farage was tricked into supporting this vile child abuser, then issue a sincere apology.. but he hasn't....

I’m centre-right myself (and am certainly not Reform).

Two things that formed me were India and China’s market reforms in the 1980s and after. (One I’d lived in, one I would go on to know very well).

Seeing hundreds of millions of people escape absolute poverty and famine and begin their climb towards comfort or prosperity taught me the power of capitalism to do real, life-transforming good on a massive scale. It also underlined how slogans that sound well-meaning from govt often justify systems that hold people in misery.

Later I learned that trade, industry and the Industrial Revolution had done similar on a global scale. Could there have been a socialist industrial revolution? Possibly, but the repeated record of socialist-planned innovation drives suggest they can work for a few decades but rarely more, and that such prosperity it brings is allocated top down, is often meager and corrupt.

History has given us many more experiments over the years. East Germany, West Germany. North Korea, South Korea. Many Asian states whose people started to see prosperity once they moved away from socialism.

Recently Argentina: poverty rate down from 52% to 36% since Milei. Household income up 26%. Inflation down from 200% to 2%.

Do you support those reforms? If not, what do you have to say to those, by now, billions who are no longer destitute because of them? Is your take on 70s British politics (or whatever first shaped your views) more important than their lives and comfort?

Standing in the charnel houses of Cambodia really brings home that the right has no monopoly on fascistic violence either.

Many, many people are right wing precisely because they “give a fuck” about other people.

Does a little bell go off and one of them has to rush to any thread online mentioning that gobshite/trump/brexit/whatever? You could set your watch by them. Every time.

They don't care, because their probably white and think it doesn't apply to them.

The last lot were right wing. They also blamed everything on immigrants because they didn't want people looking at their own ineptness. It's happened before, it will happen again no doubt and people are absolutely stupid enough to fall for it.

Farage is a talentless grifter. He will ruin this country further, but hey, he will appease the racists while he burns the UK to the ground.

Let me guess, the judicial rulings you don't like are the ones that stop migrants from being treated illegally? If the courts can't stop the Govt from breaking the law about treatment of migrants, they can't stop the Govt from breaking all the other laws too.

When the Govt can break the law, the Govt can do what it likes, including hurting you and yours. When the Govt can break the law, the Govt can round people it doesn't like up and put them in prison for no reason.

The judiciary, by ruling against the Govt when it breaks the law, are protecting you and me.

Conservatism and fascism are not one and the same. I would say I lean more conservative than I did as a younger person / I still find the current reform rhetoric abhorrent.

Again, you contribute nothing. Maybe go and find something to say, get over your fixation with the word cunt. You are being childish and insulting and its a pitiful look. Go clutch your pearls somewhere else, or come back to the discussion with a point of view thats not based on squealing into the ether???

This is the sort of response I expected , and you know what they say about. Assumptions . Also where are the hundreds of people in health care and social care , dont appear to be queuing up for a job of any description, hundreds of jobs advertised , see facts, so where are the people, opportunities are abound , you never lost them.

I mean… I can empathise with her. We used to have a freedom to work and live in the EU and now we don’t. Now our children don’t. That will look different for each person. This was this OP’s experience of that. Do you usually have issues with empathy?

Oh happy Joe - we finally agree! This is exactly why we need a proper right wing government next time around

But what does that have to do with a broken promise regarding £350 million which was used by Farage to encourage people into voting for Brexit?

Freedom of movement was a right for 100% of us, not 2%. That's what the term "right" means: everyone has it. It didn't matter if you were taking a week in Benidorm, a year in Germany studying at Heidelberg, or a decade in Portugal driving taxis, you had that right. If you chose not to exercise it, that was your problem.

What ridiculousness is this? 😂

Serious question. Please demonstrate one single positive thing that Farage has contributed to this country?

His big claim to fame is Brexit. Which has been an utter shit show from start to finish and made us worse off as a country and reduced our soft power to boot.
He barely ever turns up to Westminster. Even more rarely turns up to his own constituency. He is up to his neck in bribery from Russia and the orange idiot. Reform isn’t even a proper political party it’s a company. Incidentally a company that NF is the only director of. Funny that!

Yeah agree. Same vein as 'woke' being used as an insult. Kathy Burke had the best response to that.

So far he can't achieve not being tricked into celebrating a prolific child rapist. Don't hold yoir breath.

Wrong - the separation of powers is distorted. The judiciary need putting back in their box and I sincerely hope farage achieves that.

And you've been so fluffy, warm and approachable..... 😂

Get a grip

You either have something to contribute or you don't

Clearly the latter