Good on Kemi!

Labour got in because they were a protest vote for many people (anybody but the Tories). I suppose Reform may benefit from the same voter sentiment.

Labour have screwed many councils - it didn't stop them getting into power.

The Labour voters into Birmingham not had their bins collected for over a year.

I'm sure many labour voters will pick up on every little error reform make whilst turning a blind to their own council incompetence. Ultimately, we all know that all they are doing is trying to protect the benefit payment they get every month.

I don't see Reform support growing in the polls being done. It seems relatively stable (with a few ups and downs, as would be expected).

I'm hopeful they'll lose ground before the GE, as I just cannot see them as competent to be in government. If they fuck up loads of councils, this should dampen their support. Shame the local elections are being cancelled in places really!

Ha ha. You shouldn't really need to ask that. They didn't settle the junior doctors strikes. They were still striking in December unless you missed that. Starmers just been throwing out cash without solving any of the problems.

This government is a absolute joke. I'd put money it being less than 3 months before Lammy has to re-u-turn on his support for Jury trails, and that proposal will be out the window. The benefits review isn't going to emerge from the long grass until too close to the election to be implemented. Who know what the next round of taxes will be.

Of course the Torys put Britain on its knees. Now Labour is sticking in the final knife.

Reform are the only real option left. 30% of the country see that and growing.

I just cannot think what benefit it would be to Jenrick to now slag off the Tories! 🤔

Loving the 'whataboutery' accusations on this thread when, if the tables were turned and this was about Labour, there would be Tory whataboutery all over the shop! Hilarious.

Yep I’m not sure why that falls on you since you didn’t mention it.

What giveaways to public services (which we all benefit from)? Apart from settling the junior doctors’ strikes - which had the approval of the majority of the population - what giveaways have there been? After 14 years of starvation our public services are on their knees. Even Jenrick is now admitting the Tories broke Britain.

Yet somehow Starmer's found a way to make it worse! Tax jobs drive up unemployment, increase barriers to small businesses to recruit, give up on trying to cut welfare, the national debt up 10% in just 18 months to fund give aways to public sector workers.

But just to be clear, you’re saying that if the Tories hasn’t supported Trump he wouldn’t be in office now?

Im sorry. What do you mean? Have a reread. Im not the one who announced to MN about the second story. Ive never heard that before.

Maybe its the leftwingers that peddle in this sort of thing rather than the right?

She should probably delete it TBF

My objection to the state visit was that it happened far too soon. The smart move would have been to dangle it as a carrot for good behaviour for a couple of years and give it to him towards the end of his term.

Gaslighting. I’ve heard it all now.

Nice try!

Nice attempt at gas lighting but no cigar!

More whataboutery on Starmer and Polanski now... the Cons supported his election campaigns, which Labour have never done & have bowed down to & supported Trump whether in or out of office, thats the difference.

I bet there are plenty around the world who now wish Harris had won.

& by the way, i have consistently said offering a state visit to Trump was madness, that went way beyond "diplomacy" but was widely supported inc by Tories.

UK needs to align v quickly with the EU, how Starmer handles this, could determine his legacy a lot more than expenses or WFA.

Which one though? Alexandra said two. One which I had repeated (about Starmer having his car set on fire).

And another one which I hadn't heard before. Until Alexandra told everyone. So thats why I said I had no comment on that one. As Alexandra had told me something I hadn't heard before. She should be more careful though as shes told all of us on MN now.

The one about Starmer that right-wingers of the vicious, empty-headed variety keep trotting out on SM. The decent right wingers challenge it thankfully, as well as those on the left.

Badenoch is well suited to opposition. She wouldn't be doing half as well if Starmer did give her new ammunition with his competence every week. Every week there front bencher who needs his "full confidence" or any other policy that they they announced on a whim that needs a u-turn. Being leader of the opposition is one of the easiest jobs in the world at the moment.

It will be interesting to see how she does in opposition to Farage, which seems to be where we are heading.

Well, I can see someone has started Sunday in a good mood. No whataboutery from me, I don’t deny Kemi’s tweets have aged badly but all politicians tweets age badly. It’s why the public no long has faith in politicians anymore because no one seems to stick to things they say. And I include all parties in that. I’m sure even the sainted Zack Polanski would regret some of things he’s posted if he ever got into office because he wouldn’t be able to stand by them.

And how is the Tories treatment of Trump any different to what Starmer is doing now? I mean, I understand why he’s doing it, it’s called diplomacy. I’m sure it was called diplomacy when the Tories were doing it. Much as the Greens and the Lib Dem’s would love Kier to have his Love Actually moment.

Crikey? but ok for you to trot out Whataboutery on Starmer's previous tweets etc.
Instead of dealing with Badenoch supporting the most damaging budget ever, its the substance of the tweet that matters, not her use of SM.

The Tories bowed down to Trump in office and backed, supported and advised on all 3 of his campaigns, inc Kemi Badenoch.

Her judgement is very suspect.

Crikey, so combative. It wasn't intended to be whataboutery, more an observation on social media and how no politician whatever their stripes tends to always come out well.

When you say 'we wouldn't be in this mess', do you mean the Tories somehow had some magical power to keep DT out of office for a second term?

What slur?

Ah nothing like a bit of good ole Whataboutery!

Perhaps if the Tories had held him to account when he was less powerful and had an eye on a 2nd term, we wouldn't be in this mess...

Badenoch backed the economic policies of Truss, that should show us all the measure of the woman.

But thats the point... you ve made it perfectly.

She was in Govt for 5 years, Welfare boomed under her watch, she supported Truss, who cost the country 100s of billions, still paying for it.

Her cuts in Welfare? So people will come off disability benefits, onto unemployment ones.... where is the saving?

But even worse is the country needs around 60billion on defence, maybe 100 billion, her Govt cost the country 29 billion in a failed railway - 5 billion off Welfare doesn't touch the sides....

Your arguments on additional costs of employment, are the same as those trotted out over the introduction of the NMW - higher NMW or ENI hasn't stopped my friends company from growing, what is restricting growth is a lack of skills - who is responsible for that?

Again, you make the slur... despicable.

To be fair I don’t think tweets age well for any politician. Quite a few of Starmer’s have arisen while in opposition criticising the Tory government for not ‘holding Donald Trump to account for his actions.’

See also David Lammy on jury trials and Rachel Reeves on the economy.

I think commenting constantly on social media is a distraction for politicians and they should stay away from it.

Yes I'm sure you're right. I expect none of it is true. Just an unlucky coincidence.

(Not commenting on Starmer's son as I hadn't heard that before).