Good on Kemi!

With all due respect, the only one re writing history is you.

Heath (Cons) was in for 4 years, he gave us a collapsed economy and a 3 day week by the end of it, massive economic issues.
But Heath had spiralling oil prices, they increased 4 fold.... so hardly surprising he had problems, which carried on into much of the 70s.

Labour came in, 2 GE in a 12month period, before they got a small majority, didn't even gain proper power until 1976, by which time it was too late and they decided on the IMF.

Thatcher had North Sea Oil, yet she gave it away in tax cuts, nothing on infrastructure, nothing saved for a rainy day (no wealth fund) yet still managed 2 deep recessions, plus sold off almost all public services, she even tried to sell off the NHS....

"Saved the Day" or caused many of the problems we all see today? not least in an almost total lack of council housing and the water industry.

Neither the Tories or Labour covered themselves in glory, both inherited issues but to simply say Tories good, Labour Bad is just ignorant.

Now thats a can of worms I dont think the country needs at the moment....

Europe, open for business?

Joining the SM?i

Undoing the damage from Brexit.

See my post above which will hopefully help you.

Labour government 1974-1979
Winter of discontent 1978-1979 (so Labour had had 4-5 years to stuff everything up)
1976 IMF bailout.

I mean...nice try to rewrite history and try and blame the Conservatives but its fairly well established that Labour managed to achieve the mess themselves.

Luckily Margaret Thatcher came in and saved the day. I do hope something similar happens in 2029.

I would have respected Badenoch more if she had sacked Jenrick a few monhts back for racism.

She made the right decision but he made it easy for her with leaving his speech lying around.

Was a debate with another poster.... plus as Jenrick says, the Tories, his party of choice, helped wreck the country "for decades" i believe he said...

Ask the poster who said this is the worst government in living memory.

Who cares about what happened in the 70s and 80s? It’s 2026.

I’m a soft lefty with no home. I like Starmer but the Labour Party has too many uneasy bedfellows and a tendency to need to pander to loud voices to keep their wholeness.

I do really like Kemi’s energy but don’t know enough about her policies. She’s becoming impressive enough for me to do a bit of research eg not happy about the pps comment about the X situation and Grok. I want somebody who will stick up for basic decency.

The Tories were in power for four out of nine years in the 70s - that’s almost half the decade. Heath’s performance is entirely relevant.

3 Day week, power cuts and blackouts... a culmination of the Conservatives glorious tenure.

Then when they did get in, they destroyed Northern Britain, squandered North Sea Oil and destroyed UK manufacturing.... along the way, they gave us the ERM fiasco & 2 deep recessions... sold off all our utilities.. a stunning success (not) but not happy with that, next time in, we got Austerity, Brexit, Truss...

I'm afraid that despite your best efforts, for every Labour mess, they'll be a deeper Tory one....

Hence Jenrick accusing both parties of wrecking Britain, of which he and the party he has supported all his life, played a prominent part.

@ChurchWindows

Are you an expat

Yes

Remind me when the IMF bail out happened. Oh and the winter of discontent. A culmination of Labours glorious tenure.

Its the rule of lawyers. I know what his excuses were of course. They didn't wash with many.

Again wrong, Cons in for 5 years, 1970 to 1974 and again in 1979.

During which time they trebled energy prices, gave us strike after strike and a 3 day week.

Jenrick was castigated for helping a friend and tory donor avoid tax on a property development...10s of millions, yet Rayner was out on her ear...

Jenrick has gone from an anti Brexitier Tory moderate to a Reformite.

Yes he resigned over Tory migration policy but then came back in to support an even worse one under Sunak!! Odd.

Plus if you believe and trust him, he also said yesterday they all knew Rwanda wouldn't work... yet he stood up and defended it tirelessly.

Honest Rob!

Kruger has some quite extreme "Christian beliefs"

I saw the photo you posted last year so assumed you were not under 50. (I was the one who reported it btw..name change). Plus you dont exactly come across as a whipper snapper 🤣

The 70s were Labour mainly. The Conservatives weren't in power for most of it so irrelevant if they were rubbish or not.

The reason they didn’t initially do an enquiry was because the IICSA inquiry had already been completed in 2022 after seven years under the Tories and included grooming gangs as well as individual CSA. They didn’t want to reopen another investigation because this would delay measures being put in place.

https://www.iicsa.org.uk

Starmer sought independent advice IIRC and opened a new inquiry off the back of that.

I also remember Farage claiming he was going to spend his own money doing an inquiry which never came to fruition. Funny that.

I won’t deny that this government has been more of a disappointment so far than I had hoped, but there is so much misinformation out there and labour’s comms are diabolical which, sadly, I think will be their downfall.

Many do think so, going by feedback in polls and focus groups.

Manifestly this isn't the worst government ever, and there is an excellent case for saying 2019-24 was worse than the 1970s Labour government. Whatever the problems with Wilson and Callaghan, their governments did not collapse with unprecedentedly high numbers of high-level resignations and their own MPs calling for their departure, nor did either leader end up being forced into resigning as Prime Minister after 49 days. On any measure that level of failure is spectacular.

You assumed nothing of the sort, the “living memory” was before you knew my age - and presumably you’re not posting just for my benefit.

The worst government of my lifetime was the last one because it was not only incompetent but corrupt and venal. As I said the 70s was a decade of all round political incompetence, both parties were as bad as each other. I’d actually agree with you that there was integrity in politics 50 years ago which has certainly diminished, it reached its nadir with Johnson and Truss.

Agreed, OP. His PM style glow up and constant overreach and undermining her as a leader was disgusting. Sleazebag now belongs with another sleazebag, let the eat each other. Well done KB.

Pedantic. I just assumed you would remember the 1970s government. Hence the living memory.

You said 2019 government was worse than this current one.

I said that Labour government in the 70s was worse than 2019. And this government is worse than 2019.

The question is therefore, which is the worst Labour government in living memory; this one or the 1970s IMF job one.

I feel the 1970s Labour was old school and probably misguided but at least honorable. So accordingly this current Labour government is the worst.

It wasn’t. It was that this government is the worst in living memory. But now you’re maintaining that the Labour governments in the 70s were the worst. My memory of the 70s is that it was a decade of political incompetence, both parties were equally awful.