Friendships and Trump

She’s in a cult. This is no longer about different political opinions. We all know something is changing here and we have seen it before but only though history. We’ve all learned it. The signs are here

I don't think Trump is a massive problem. I do notice, though, that whatever the British government does on the international front is in some way to stick it to Trump. It's like everything Trump does is the perfect excuse to hate him. We're sending in boats to intercept American vessels heading to Greenland, while we're somehow incapable/unwilling to turn the small boats back (the ones turning up on the Kent coast). We're so busy throwing shade on a sitting POTUS that we don't really care about the many, many problems we have here in Britain. Distractions and misdirections all over the place that we've mostly given up on our own country.

Friendship circles have been shrinking since around 2016, which is when a lot of political and social rot was exposed, you could see the cogs of the machine, so to speak. So it's not surprising friendships are still deteriorating. I think it's petty in the extreme. We never used to judge each other by how we voted in the last election, you just voted and that was it. Now you're judged all the time. We desperately need to go back to basics.

He will be arrested along with the whole crooked bunch. America needs to wake up fast...and I mean wake up. Because they are being led down a road to dictatorship. If they keep letting a government circumvent congress then eventually there won't be a congress left. The longer this goes on the more those In power will fear losing it, because the moment they do all the laws that have been broken will be in plain sight....then it's prison.

Trump should be deported to one of smaller, less comfortable moons of Saturn.

Very true and they have the audacity to criticise the UK for freedom of speech. I'll be glad when that fat orange man is no longer a problem....I believe his days are numbered as even the republican party is starting to split.

I understand In America they have different laws but there is nothing in the law enforcement handbook that says it's ok to shoot a person fleeing an arrest be it on foot or behind the wheel. In fact it says discharging a fire arm not allowed unless you believe you are in danger.

They can spin it all they like, but if you watch the entire video the officer was not at any point in front of the car and the car drove off at which point a officer at the side of the car opened fire at the driver through the window. So we will see if the officer will face charges because I believe he's gone into hiding.

The problem in America is those that support Trump are like religious fanatics who will follow him regardless of the consequences.

My son lives out there and there is a certain amount of “fear” because social media sites are trawled for ant-Trump remarks. It’s very different over here - if we disagree with the government we can say so openly. 🤷‍♀️

I rarely post much political to my son. We chat on the phone, and he’s anti Trump, but the last thing any of us need is for him to be deported back here. He’s got a wife and family over there.

True. But an institution that she knows her friend supports. In that way parallel to the abortion example. I think quite a lot of pro-choice people would be upset to see a friend post that meme.

The endangering her life thing does sound OTT. Maybe ask her to explain that, to understand her reasoning behind it.

However, most people consider themselves good, and linking their beliefs in any way whatsoever to Nazis is not going to go down well. I don't blame your friend from that regard: it's hurtful, judgemental and, in my opinion, pretty ridiculous. Their optics aren't great, but at the end of the day ICE are sending illegal immigrants (many of them convicted criminals) back to their legal countries, not sending them to the gas chambers.

@BoredZelda

I don’t need to be in the company of people who are racist or homophobic or anti-Semitic etc, in order to expand my world view. There are plenty of ways to do that.

I agree you don’t have to.

But you will cut yourself off from probably more people than you realise.

You can’t be in the company of most British Muslims for example (polling varies, but in 2009 Gallup found 0% believed homosexuality is morally acceptable).

If believing nation is defined by bloodline is a red line then that’s 93% of Koreans out (and many other cultures).

If it’s that “violence may be needed to save the country”, that’s 31% of US Republicans.

And 28% of US Democrats.

One in five US whites say there ideal neighbourhood has no blacks in it.

Two in five US blacks say it has no Hispanics or Asians.

…you get the picture.

If you add all such red lines together, you are left with almost all your fellow humans as some sort of alien species not to be consorted with just read about in books.

Your friend seems to lack empathy and morals. If she thinks what Charlie Kirk preached was OK then I’m afraid your friend is not a good person. She might have been lovely to YOU but that doesn’t mean she’s a lovely person.

If you want to remain friends with someone with very different morals to you then that’s up to you. Personally I wouldn’t be friends with anyone who thinks Charlie Kirk’s views are acceptable or in any way try to justify ICE terrorising people.

Nobody who votes for Trump is a lovely person TBH.

Sorry but str sounds like a lunatic.

I'd tell her to wind her neck in and stop making a political party her identity because it's weird.
That just because you support a party doesn't mean you need to blindly agree with everything they say. And that many republicans are anti trump.

As for the bible saying submit to your husband, theres a minister online, I'll see if I an find his YouTube, who points out that word was poorly translated from the original texts which did not say that. The word submit was also used regarding a different matter shortly before and may have simply been reused. Also, God calls himself a helper of the people (I think it was the land actually). Does that mean he is less than or not equal to the people? No. You aught yo be very clear with her that under god man and women are equal, we are certainly not our husbands servants.

It sounds to me that you care too much about US politics to just sweep it under the carpet in order to maintain your friendship with this woman. I wouldn’t be able to either. If I were you I’d let the friendship gently slide; you’re incompatible.

You do not have to do anything of the sort. I don’t need to be in the company of people who are racist or homophobic or anti-Semitic etc, in order to expand my world view. There are plenty of ways to do that.

I could be friends with your average right wing supporter, but anyone who sees what Trump is doing right now and supports it has no place in my life.

Yeah I guess if she felt she was being called a Nazi I could see it could be hurtful. But her views are highly inflammatory and prejudiced, at least to some people. And OP wasn't calling her one, she was saying the actions of a public figure/body seemed like that of a Nazi.

@YourBrickTigerI realise you’re upset about this friendship but I agree with the PP that there are things I will tolerate and there are clear red lines. I’ve got a number of friends who I know I would disagree with if we discussed certain subjects. Generally we don’t go there.

The views of your friend are abhorrent and I wouldn’t be friends with someone whose values are so fundamentally opposed to mine.

She does sound hyperbolic for the ‘life in danger’. But also, reaching for the Nazi card is also pretty inflammatory.

If you knew that a friend was pro-choice (as am I, fwiw), sharing an Auschwitz meme that makes the link would be too.

Even though it’s just plain fact that the number of lives extinguished via abortion in the US each year is roughly equal to the average annual Nazi extermination toll through each year of the war. There is a link to be made, but it’s still a (in my view) highly crass link and will predictably offend. People should be free to make the link, but also can’t be too aggrieved if it provokes a strong pushback.