Is the murder of Renee Good by Trump's immigration police news in the U.K.?

He didn’t get hit by the car though did he? It’s absolutely clear from all the video evidence. And shooting someone in the face is completely disproportionate. Their politics - “leftists” - are irrelevant. She was driving away. I fear for the US if people are genuinely defending such abject appalling behaviour.

Personally I’d say the issue is him brazenly shooting a woman dead. The swearing is just an illustration of his apparent disdain for her.

Yep. The two on here would be hard to stomach, but they’re a useful example of Trump, ICE et al’s supporters. They’d be funny if we weren’t talking about such horrific incidents.

Because they clumsily obfuscate, go around in circles, dispute proven events and say shockingly callous things about victims, they’re cliches of Trump supporters down to the ‘crazed leftist’ comments when we’re discussing events that are known to be true. The disputing facts about ‘police’ swearing, when we’re talking about ICE shooting a woman dead, is textbook.

Disappointingly, we haven’t had any religious ‘Trump as our magnificent saviour sent from god’ types turn up yet as they’re always good value to understand the mentality that got him where he is now.

Funny, that I’d always been told, often by Americans, that ‘using profanity’ was a much bigger deal in the US than it is over here in our foul-mouthed little swamp. There was that hilarious thread years ago when a bored creationist decided to come and try to troll/convert us all to creationism, and ended up telling us all off for swearing, resulting in MNHQ posting their short-lived slogan ‘Mumsnet - the one with the swearing’. Could it be that in fact Americans vary in their tolerance for swearing, just like us? There’s also a difference between a policeman saying ‘what a fucking shitshow, fuck me’ and ‘that fucking bitch’ - the latter is more aggressive to an individual, and I think that’s what we are reacting to and what I’d regard as so particularly unacceptable.

TBF if you recorded British police unawares after a tense confrontation the air would no doubt be equally blue - as we know from various horrible WhatsApp leaks. There the problem again is less the number of swear words than the denigration of individuals and the sharing of pictures of crime victims, particularly black women. Also way past unprofessional to criminal behaviour.

Yes, it was after he shot her and the car was moving away.

Some people will literally defend anything Trump and his Brownshirts do.

I think he actually called her that straight AFTER shooting her, which is somehow even worse.

So it’s not unusual to call someone a fucking bitch before shooting them in the face.

i can’t believe someone is trying to normalise that.

He's not a cop.

Wow. I didn’t know that.

This is an interesting cultural difference.

It’s not unusual for American cops to use expletives on the job, and it’s not seen as unprofessional.

Then why are you so unaware of ICE activities elsewhere? They are currently doing big operations in TX, FL, TN and ME. These are just those I know of through the news.

My home state is not among these but I can confirm they are active in my hometown.

He called her a ‘fucking bitch’
hes clearly not up to the job, the selection process and training should have weeded him out

He never said lesbian bitch. He probably didn’t know they were a couple, just a pair of leftist activists from his POV.

I believe his exact words after getting hit by an SUV were ‘fucking bitch’ which tbh I might have said something even worse if I was hit by a car by someone being extremely negligent AT BEST

Why can’t they just leave ICE agents alone and go protest (peacefully) at federal buildings? Why engage in these dangerous games?

His own camera recorded it, yet Vance is telling us he’s the brave victim.

Yep. He lost his reason at a woman not behaving submissively so shot her multiple times at close range, called her a fucking bitch, and sauntered off.

I’m in the US. So I know exactly what’s going on here.

I found the ‘lesbian bitch’ comments awful .
There seems to be a misogynistic element at play. The ICE officer was angry that a middle aged white liberal would not bow to his authority and this seems an issue with Trumps whole maga movement. It seems we have one on here too

ICE officers are not vetted and trained properly, failed police officer only delighted to get guns and a large signing free fo roam the streets rounding up non criminal migrants. I hope he’s horrified at what he’s done.

Pretty sure most normal people think gluing yourself to a road for ‘climate change’ is part of crazed leftist behavior. It’s a feature of leftists that protesting in such an obstructive manner is encouraged.

Its not centrist to drop your kid off at school and play cat-and-mouse games with law enforcement. This is not the behavior of moderates, however much you want that to be the case.

In so many of your posts, @RingoJuice you jump to bizarre conclusions. Your intense hatred of those you consider "crazed leftists" (who would be considered nothing more than centrist by the rest of the world) is one of the reasons there can't be peace in America.

Red states largely work with ICE and honor detainers. And don’t have crazed leftists trying to disrupt their operations. So less manpower is needed and they can do just as much (or more) with fewer resources.

As I mentioned, ICE are doing a huge operation in Houston and Dallas checking for H1B compliance. They are active in my home city, too, targeting scammers from a certain community (of course they work with ICE no issue)

Nobody in your press is mentioning this. So you think it’s only happening in Minneapolis/St Paul.

Quite so, @GoodGriefCharlie !

Yes. But, amusingly, for once with a single accurate detail, given blue states certainly don’t want to work with violent and lawless goons assaulting people on the street and bypassing their legal rights.

Red states would not either but in no surprise to anybody they haven’t deployed thousands of agents to those states…

Non sequitur.

If your solution is, just let 13 million illegal aliens stay in your home country, you are not being serious.

Because blue cities don’t want to work with ICE, they let literal criminals loose on the streets and force ICE to do more work than they otherwise should. At the very least, they need to obey ICE detainers (so criminals get transferred into their custody). No reason for them to ignore those

Thank you @GoodGriefCharlie you're right not to let anyone distract us from the horrors of Trump and ICE. It's like a crazy dystopian movie that in normal times nobody would expect to come true.