Nigel Farage has 41 mentions in the Epstein Files and counting

Yes true.
The OP has not posted this thread in good faith. It's purpose is to stir trouble.

Better an armchair sneer than violence towards minority groups. You're aware that among Reform protesters and flag flyers, between 1/3 and 1/2 have domestic violence convictions.

Now, of course they're entitled to hold political opinions. And if you're happy to be part of a group of supporters such as those, not to mention the Reform councillors who have publicly espoused racist beliefs and comments, then you do you.

But you're not siding with the great thinkers of the world. So call it snobbery if you want. But siding with thugs and racists isn't an intelligent choice.

I'm no fan of Kier Starmer, but I can tell the difference between him as a politician and Farage.

It's exactly this left wing arrogance and snobbery, sneering at people who don't share their views which helped cause Brexit and will help increase Reform votes.

Branding someone as thick because you disagree with them doesn't exactly convince them to your views and simply reinforces their beliefs. Plus it's not a good look.

Still I'm sure that you are smart enough to see that.

There are going to a lot of names in those files from all of the political spectrum so I wouldn't get excited over this. However, I despise Farage more many other reasons

Rather condescending of you. Leftish snobbery is not nice. Particularly as a lot of Reform voters were the old working class former Labour voters. Like the Red Wall voters.

But Labour don't represent the working class any more I suppose.

'Reform voters able to judge'? Don't make me laugh.

Spose you're right

@SerendipityJane

Are you going to return to the thread OP? Or is it one of those thread where you plop and run?

@Springonway1 Says you. Your attitude suggests otherwise.
IYKYK.

I'm not a shill. What does that mean? Does it mean I get paid??

I'm not a "Tory" per se. I just believe that as women died for us to vote we should vote. And if I have to vote I have to chose between Reform and the Conservatives and so will probably chose Conservatives at the moment as I agree with what they are saying on the economy and I don't really know what Reform really think on this.

I'm really just a simple middle aged lawyer who gets annoyed these days when people are pilloried at the word of someone else for political reasons and we are all supposed to accept it as fact. It happens all the time! Haven't you noticed? And the dodgy things that happen that are actually proven are just swept under the carpet.

I just feel we, as the British people, surely deserve better. A bit more truth and honesty and politicians that take responsibility for things they have actually done or lied about. And proven to have done or lied about. Rather than witch hunts and slurs.

We have to take everyone on here at their word @Springonway1

For instance, we are being asked to believe that you're a Tory and not a Farage shill.

Random poster....we were discussing fox hunting because a PP used a photo of NF with the hunt as if it was a bad thing amd meant that Nf was unfit to be PM. I think we've moved on now.

We will have to take your word for what you have revealed about your background of course.

Oh please!
My grandfather was a landowner in Hertfordshire and used to support the hunt - until he actually witnessed (and he stressed "also what I heard from the fox") and he banned the hunt from crossing his land after that - until then he was staunchly pro-hunting and I'm the first generation of my family to be against hunting - he hated foxes but couldn't bear what he witnessed.

Neither of my parents like foxes either but they always taught me to learn about them instead of "just forming an opinion".
Even more tellingly, my father and uncles had farms and both lost hens due to foxes - but like my father said "It's my fault because I didn't secure their runs and sheds properly. A fox can't go to a shop and buy pre-killed and pre-cleaned meat like we do, they have to kill their food themselves which includes blood and gore"
Also a fox hides their food in multiple places to increase their chances of eating but they're often disturbed by humans in the process.

Stop with the mythical rhetoric!!

Also, as a country girl I can assure you that hunting is nowhere near as accepted or wanted as pro-hunters try to make people believe. Most of us aren't into abhorrent animal cruelty.

I'm half expecting you to write a sarcastic reply, but that's up to you as I won't be reading it.
I'm sick of pro-hunters thinking everyone who's against the hunt knows nothing about foxes and knows nothing of the countryside.

Ive got no problem with scrutinty of any politician. Scrutiny with proper consequences is what is needed.

And scrutiny that leads to facts not smears. Facts that are actually provable.

Hes been in politics for 30 years. And has been continuously under investigation. People know what they are getting with him and he is still leading the polls. At least he supports the UK.

Corbyn was a relative unknown. When his background in calling Hamas friends, his anti semitism and the fact MI5 etc were concerned about him became public knowledge people felt he was unsuitable to be PM.

As mentioned upthread, Dominic Cummings predict Labour will look at NFs medical records, bank accounts etc to try and get dirt on him. So if there is dirt it will come out. But it must be factual and provable for Reform voters to be able to judge. Unlike this school stuff which doesnt seem to have affected the polls.

Apparently scrutiny of others is fair yet scrutiny of Farage is a witch hunt or a hit job.

He's a politician. All of them are up for grabs. Look at how Corbyn was treated to keep him out of power. A relatively spotless man. Farage is nowhere near as clean so it's to be expected.

He's got an extensive track history of being dodgy. Maybe he should be the power behind the throne, because there is too much factual evidence of his nefarious beliefs and actions. He is not suitable to be a leader with the kind of criminals and ne'er do wells he has a lifetime of consorting with.

One of the "victims" on Radio 4 described his experiences. And then immediately ruined his performance by criticising NF current politics. So Im afraid most reasonable people will suspect bias.

Anyway when did we go for witch hunts? Hes not been found guilty of anything. Theres been no due process. People either believe him or believe the accusers. Nothing else can be done.

Conservatives in covid were useless.

There is significant testimonial evidence from a range of pupils and teachers for the allegations against Farage.

You just made up a story based on nothing.

Do you have a parable about the hypocrisy of the Conservative party during the Covid lockdown?

That I do agree with. Hes going to have to experience even worse than even he has for the last 30 years. As Keir Starmer says, he can stand the Conservatives winning but he can't agree to Reform winning. So hes going to do everything he can to stop it. And it will be dirty (being Labour). So yes it will be a test of NFs stamina and thick skin and how much he really wants to be PM.

The one good thing is that the electorate know this.

My point is that Farage hates scrutiny and seems to think he shouldn’t be subject to it. Both Labour and Tory MPs have come under scrutiny. If they survive it means the electorate aren’t as bothered as the media. If Farage objects to people looking into his affairs now, how is he ever going to cope should he become PM, when he is under the spotlight every minute of the day

Hes actually not shown any racism throughout his political career. The guy who did his biography confirmed it despite not being a Farage fan.

He didnt screw the UK over Brexit. He wasnt in power and has never been. People just agreed with what he said. There's a difference.

Probably what happened to Corbyn, yes. Although he was on record with his comments about Hamas etc unlike the comments NF said when he was a child at school.

Amazingly Im not a Farage supporter despite appearances on this thread (Im still a Conservative sadly) . I just don't like the hypocrisy and lies that the left come out with. And they are in power at the moment so need a bit of a pushback. Reform are the only ones really doing that at the moment.

So pretty much what happened to Jeremy Corbyn?

Except, Farage’s vitriol against anyone of colour is well documented throughout his life- not just at school.

I can remember being upset that he’d been voted in as an MEP years ago, because of his very clear racism. Long before he royally screwed the UK over through Brexit.

You sound deranged. Calm down dear.

There's a thing called due process though. Hit jobs done by fair means or foul are demeaning to an already despised political system. And also very obvious!