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Pinkponyclub3 · 2025-12-21T01:23:58+00:00

Any conservative supporters here ? Recent reports say the gap on reform is closing Having watched some clips of kemi in action,I was quite impressed But I don't know much about the party having never voted conservative, Have they more of an insight in to current feeling than labour?

ExamHellDoubled · 22/12/2025 00:06

I like Kemi, she seems like a sensible woman and I’d vote for her.

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 00:05

@wiffin indeed

wiffin · 21/12/2025 23:31

Justchilling07 · 21/12/2025 23:15

Hmm, if you say so.That’s the problem we haven’t moved on? Wasn’t it David Cameron’s big idea, to put it to voters to stay or leave the E.U? Where’s all this money, the uk are now supposed to be saving from leaving the E.U, that’s what they said, according to the conservatives and reform???

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You're not supposed to ask that! It's all the fault of covid. Or immigration. Or putin. Or immigration. Or anything other than brexit.

Justchilling07 · 21/12/2025 23:15

HoneyParsnipSoup · 21/12/2025 22:44

Because parties change as new members join and the world moves on?

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Hmm, if you say so.That’s the problem we haven’t moved on? Wasn’t it David Cameron’s big idea, to put it to voters to stay or leave the E.U? Where’s all this money, the uk are now supposed to be saving from leaving the E.U, that’s what they said, according to the conservatives and reform???

Justchilling07 · 21/12/2025 23:05

fashionqueen0123 · 21/12/2025 22:22

Kemi speaks sense on some topics but - have people forgotten what the Tories did?
as above they ruined the court system. It’s a complete mess.
Punished uk citizens for marrying people from another country but letting everyone else in.
Destroying the NHS and no jobs for drs.
and had some lovely parties during Covid and lied through their teeth. Had Boris as a leader ffs.
Then we had Michael gove messing up schools and playing around with GCSE’s.
How could anyone consider voting for that!

Agree. People seem to have very short memories!

wiffin · 21/12/2025 22:51

Fishingboatbobbingnight · 21/12/2025 04:14

Dead Ringets Radio 4. Friday evening. The best parody of ‘Kemi’ .. ‘low energy weirdo’
Sorry but after 14 years of the utter shit show of the Tories , nothing would take me there again. I work in criminal justice. I have women waiting 7 years for a rape trial ! Because there are not enough CPS lawyers, criminal defence barristers now earn less than minimum wage unless high flying KCs not people who take legal aid cases. Not enough court ushers or judges.. and even then , if this all gets overcome, then the courts themselves are so poorly maintained, they often close at short notice.
This is the reality of the Tories decimation of basic public services. Just one area. Husband works for Environment agency who no longer have resources to prosecute fly tipping ! This is basic stuff. Much more important than bloody hyped up thinly disguised ‘immigration concerns’ In the year ending June 2023, net migration was about 906,000 people (immigrants minus emigrants), one of the highest levels on record. Tories in power.

It was 604K last year and 204k this year. So get some actual facts from reputable sources like the ONS rather than right wing press propaganda as that is only telling you what you want to hear. Not what is actually happening.

As for Farage. Well I don’t have the energy. If people are really that thick. You can’t debate anything with stupidity.

Dead ringers are a work of genius

wiffin · 21/12/2025 22:49

yellowspanner · 21/12/2025 21:30

I will vote Reform. They are now the biggest party so I am really hoping they'll win at the May elections

They're facists. Cannot run local councils. Take bribes from Russia. Will remove rights from anyone not wealthy, white, male and heterosexual.

Please actually read their policies (when they actually have some) and check on their record in local government (it's shit).

napody · 21/12/2025 22:46

Periperi2025 · 21/12/2025 22:22

Because Plaid are working towards getting rid of the last, mostly, English language secondary school in the whole county, despite many many parents/kids (including Welsh speaking ones) actively choosing to send their kids often long distances to go there. This is not democracy. I want my DD to learn her STEM subjects through English in preparation for university, i don't think this is too much to ask in the UK.

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I agree there should be the choice- which county is this?
I just don't think, if education is your priority, reform are the way to go. That's the biggest understatement I've ever written. Unless you want your child learning their STEM in Russian, I guess....😉

Look at what's happening in Leicester and kent: public services have been hit by a hurricane of shite. Does competence come into it at all? Honestly these chancers shouldn't be trusted to do a paper round never mind to run things.

HoneyParsnipSoup · 21/12/2025 22:44

fashionqueen0123 · 21/12/2025 22:22

Kemi speaks sense on some topics but - have people forgotten what the Tories did?
as above they ruined the court system. It’s a complete mess.
Punished uk citizens for marrying people from another country but letting everyone else in.
Destroying the NHS and no jobs for drs.
and had some lovely parties during Covid and lied through their teeth. Had Boris as a leader ffs.
Then we had Michael gove messing up schools and playing around with GCSE’s.
How could anyone consider voting for that!

Because parties change as new members join and the world moves on?

JoyintheMorning · 21/12/2025 22:43

Have been a Tory ever since Labour devalued the Currency and Harold Wilson tried to tell us the pound in our pocket was worth the same as it was before. He took us for fools!
With Boris and Truss I was ashamed of them. I still have Conservative instincts and believe in Conservative values.
We must only pursue true ethical values and campaign on them. Never again to compromise those values to 'win'. Never again accept funding from dodgy businesses to keep the HQ building. If we fail next time then we fail on honest terms.

(I'm not quite sure about Jenryk). I think Jacob Rees-Mogg will repent and do the right thing in future. His brain would be useful.

EasternStandard · 21/12/2025 22:24

tobee · 21/12/2025 22:22

Low energy weirdo’ surely only a weirdo would think that. She’s about to beat all the other male leaders in approval ratings.

what a load of waffly nothing

Nonsense. It’s the case. Look it up.

If you think she’s doing badly and Starmer is doing well you’re in a shrinking minority. Enjoy

fashionqueen0123 · 21/12/2025 22:22

Kemi speaks sense on some topics but - have people forgotten what the Tories did?
as above they ruined the court system. It’s a complete mess.
Punished uk citizens for marrying people from another country but letting everyone else in.
Destroying the NHS and no jobs for drs.
and had some lovely parties during Covid and lied through their teeth. Had Boris as a leader ffs.
Then we had Michael gove messing up schools and playing around with GCSE’s.
How could anyone consider voting for that!

tobee · 21/12/2025 22:22

Low energy weirdo’ surely only a weirdo would think that. She’s about to beat all the other male leaders in approval ratings.

what a load of waffly nothing

Periperi2025 · 21/12/2025 22:22

napody · 21/12/2025 22:10

Why not plaid? They won caerphilly although from the reform leaflet I got through my door you'd think reform had! How reform/'ukip mark 3' can even show their faces in the welsh valleys after the damage they've done with brexit I will never know .

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Because Plaid are working towards getting rid of the last, mostly, English language secondary school in the whole county, despite many many parents/kids (including Welsh speaking ones) actively choosing to send their kids often long distances to go there. This is not democracy. I want my DD to learn her STEM subjects through English in preparation for university, i don't think this is too much to ask in the UK.

Justchilling07 · 21/12/2025 22:19

napody · 21/12/2025 22:10

Why not plaid? They won caerphilly although from the reform leaflet I got through my door you'd think reform had! How reform/'ukip mark 3' can even show their faces in the welsh valleys after the damage they've done with brexit I will never know .

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^ well said.

napody · 21/12/2025 22:10

Periperi2025 · 21/12/2025 18:34

I will be voting reform in the Welsh assembly election as we desperately need change in Wales and reform offer hope of that not conservative.
But i may will vote conservative in the general elections, as voting reform in the GE is more about voting for farage himself rather than reform as an alternative party, i am currently very undecided.

Why not plaid? They won caerphilly although from the reform leaflet I got through my door you'd think reform had! How reform/'ukip mark 3' can even show their faces in the welsh valleys after the damage they've done with brexit I will never know .

utterlytraumatised · 21/12/2025 22:05

I’m voting for whatever party sorts out migration both legal and illegal. My hometown is now destroyed and completely unsafe.

Non have tried to integrate and it’s turned into a frightening place. Then we have the grooming. I can’t face another 40 years of this.

yellowspanner · 21/12/2025 21:30

I will vote Reform. They are now the biggest party so I am really hoping they'll win at the May elections

EasternStandard · 21/12/2025 21:26

Fishingboatbobbingnight · 21/12/2025 04:14

Dead Ringets Radio 4. Friday evening. The best parody of ‘Kemi’ .. ‘low energy weirdo’
Sorry but after 14 years of the utter shit show of the Tories , nothing would take me there again. I work in criminal justice. I have women waiting 7 years for a rape trial ! Because there are not enough CPS lawyers, criminal defence barristers now earn less than minimum wage unless high flying KCs not people who take legal aid cases. Not enough court ushers or judges.. and even then , if this all gets overcome, then the courts themselves are so poorly maintained, they often close at short notice.
This is the reality of the Tories decimation of basic public services. Just one area. Husband works for Environment agency who no longer have resources to prosecute fly tipping ! This is basic stuff. Much more important than bloody hyped up thinly disguised ‘immigration concerns’ In the year ending June 2023, net migration was about 906,000 people (immigrants minus emigrants), one of the highest levels on record. Tories in power.

It was 604K last year and 204k this year. So get some actual facts from reputable sources like the ONS rather than right wing press propaganda as that is only telling you what you want to hear. Not what is actually happening.

As for Farage. Well I don’t have the energy. If people are really that thick. You can’t debate anything with stupidity.

‘Low energy weirdo’ surely only a weirdo would think that. She’s about to beat all the other male leaders in approval ratings.

Perhaps that slur is an old out of date one.

Plus she’s running rings around Starmer each week so it’s more apt for him.

HermioneWeasley · 21/12/2025 19:06

I hope they do. Reform would be a disaster and Labour have been even more incompetent than feared

Justchilling07 · 21/12/2025 19:04

Beentheredonethat98 · 21/12/2025 18:44

Are you not concerned that the leader of Reform in Wales was taking bribes from the Russians?

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Good point.Personally yes that is a huge concern
@Periperi2025 what’s your view on Reform wales being involved in taking bribes? Can they be trusted?

Beentheredonethat98 · 21/12/2025 18:44

Periperi2025 · 21/12/2025 18:34

I will be voting reform in the Welsh assembly election as we desperately need change in Wales and reform offer hope of that not conservative.
But i may will vote conservative in the general elections, as voting reform in the GE is more about voting for farage himself rather than reform as an alternative party, i am currently very undecided.

Are you not concerned that the leader of Reform in Wales was taking bribes from the Russians?

Periperi2025 · 21/12/2025 18:34

I will be voting reform in the Welsh assembly election as we desperately need change in Wales and reform offer hope of that not conservative.
But i may will vote conservative in the general elections, as voting reform in the GE is more about voting for farage himself rather than reform as an alternative party, i am currently very undecided.

Beentheredonethat98 · 21/12/2025 18:32

I imagine the next election will see a lot of tactical voting to keep certain parties out of power. People will be voting AGAINST candidates not FOR them. So someone might vote Conservative to keep Reform out, or Lib Dem, or even Labour rather than allow a Reform candidate to win.
Same will apply to anyone trying to keep Your Party or the Greens out if they ever look like winning a particular seat.

soupyspoon · 21/12/2025 18:27

Not much of a difference surely