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Conservatives closing the gap on reform

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Pinkponyclub3 · 21/12/2025 01:23

Any conservative supporters here ?
Recent reports say the gap on reform is closing
Having watched some clips of kemi in action,I was quite impressed
But I don't know much about the party having never voted conservative,
Have they more of an insight in to current feeling than labour?

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EasternStandard · 22/12/2025 08:35

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 08:27

@EasternStandard hmm l just haven’t got a short memory, when it comes to the last government
who were in for 14 years.

But you must know people impacted by Labour now? People stressed due to their policies.

hattie43 · 22/12/2025 08:32

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 08:12

No, what is really sad, is you can’t see, the damage the conservatives did, when they were in for 14 years and you’re only now listening to the far right propaganda.

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And right on cue here comes the leftist who can’t stand that anyone might have different views than their own . Far right propaganda lol get a grip .

ArabellaSaurus · 22/12/2025 08:32

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 08:27

@EasternStandard hmm l just haven’t got a short memory, when it comes to the last government
who were in for 14 years.

So are we seeing all those issues fixed and reversed now? At least moves towards fixing them?

Absolutely genuinely asking. I dont much like Tories or Labour and just want a halfway decent party to vote for.

I mean I'm stuck with the horrific SNP so its a moot point, really, but still. We need a capable government and I dont see much of a bawhair between Tory/Labour rule.

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 08:27

@EasternStandard hmm l just haven’t got a short memory, when it comes to the last government
who were in for 14 years.

napody · 22/12/2025 08:26

Periperi2025 · 22/12/2025 08:14

I'm in Gwynedd. I'm not sure you want to get into a debate about local authority competence in gwynedd and Plaid, especially in relation to schools safeguarding!!

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Ahh no. Horrifying. Fair enough. Still REALLY don't think reform are your answer but hope a decent independent candidate turns up.

EasternStandard · 22/12/2025 08:24

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 08:12

No, what is really sad, is you can’t see, the damage the conservatives did, when they were in for 14 years and you’re only now listening to the far right propaganda.

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I’m surprised people still don’t know anyone who has been negatively impacted by Labour. There are so many, jobs, hospitality, SMEs

ArabellaSaurus · 22/12/2025 08:20

Fishingboatbobbingnight · 21/12/2025 04:14

Dead Ringets Radio 4. Friday evening. The best parody of ‘Kemi’ .. ‘low energy weirdo’
Sorry but after 14 years of the utter shit show of the Tories , nothing would take me there again. I work in criminal justice. I have women waiting 7 years for a rape trial ! Because there are not enough CPS lawyers, criminal defence barristers now earn less than minimum wage unless high flying KCs not people who take legal aid cases. Not enough court ushers or judges.. and even then , if this all gets overcome, then the courts themselves are so poorly maintained, they often close at short notice.
This is the reality of the Tories decimation of basic public services. Just one area. Husband works for Environment agency who no longer have resources to prosecute fly tipping ! This is basic stuff. Much more important than bloody hyped up thinly disguised ‘immigration concerns’ In the year ending June 2023, net migration was about 906,000 people (immigrants minus emigrants), one of the highest levels on record. Tories in power.

It was 604K last year and 204k this year. So get some actual facts from reputable sources like the ONS rather than right wing press propaganda as that is only telling you what you want to hear. Not what is actually happening.

As for Farage. Well I don’t have the energy. If people are really that thick. You can’t debate anything with stupidity.

So, are Labour fixing these things?

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 08:19

Beentheredonethat98 · 22/12/2025 07:59

Just on a point of fact, an EU Referendum was not Cameron’s idea. Lib Dems, Greens and Labour all supported an in/out Referendum on EU membership and also had it in their manifestos. Lib Dems had been pushing it since 2008 and Labour were lucky to avoid one on the EU Constitutional Treaty (because France and The Netherlands had already held referendums and voted against).

All political parties were equally complacent on this question and an overwhelming majority of MPs across the House supported the ridiculous simple majority terms of the vote. No other country would have approved such momentous change on the back of a simple majority, one off vote. Complete failure of the entire political class.

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Cameron, agreed to it and pushed for it, it was under his watch.It’s just so easy, isn’t it, to blame every other party, who weren’t even in government!

JoyintheMorning · 22/12/2025 08:19

Back to the Brexit analysis which I seldom do because it happened 9 whole years ago.
Had there been strong leadership from the lead politicians the result would IMO have been different.
Had Tory Front Bench and Corbyn been stronger either for Leave Then the majority would have been decisive, say 60/40.
If Corbyn had come off the fence for Remain with the Unions we would have had 60/40 remain.
With a strong leave result The EU would have taken more notice in the negotiations especially if Cameron and Osborn stayed on to head the negotiations.

What we need now is to consider the Future for the Country not the Party.

Periperi2025 · 22/12/2025 08:14

napody · 21/12/2025 22:46

I agree there should be the choice- which county is this?
I just don't think, if education is your priority, reform are the way to go. That's the biggest understatement I've ever written. Unless you want your child learning their STEM in Russian, I guess....😉

Look at what's happening in Leicester and kent: public services have been hit by a hurricane of shite. Does competence come into it at all? Honestly these chancers shouldn't be trusted to do a paper round never mind to run things.

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I'm in Gwynedd. I'm not sure you want to get into a debate about local authority competence in gwynedd and Plaid, especially in relation to schools safeguarding!!

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 08:12

hattie43 · 22/12/2025 08:03

Kemi has really impressed me the last couple of months , I do think she’s upped her game in response to Reform . Tbh any party on the right will do for me . Watching the decimation of the country under Labour is too sad .

No, what is really sad, is you can’t see, the damage the conservatives did, when they were in for 14 years and you’re only now listening to the far right propaganda.

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 08:07

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Yes @aashish111 would appreciate that, thank you.

hattie43 · 22/12/2025 08:03

Kemi has really impressed me the last couple of months , I do think she’s upped her game in response to Reform . Tbh any party on the right will do for me . Watching the decimation of the country under Labour is too sad .

soupyspoon · 22/12/2025 08:02

Beentheredonethat98 · 22/12/2025 07:59

Just on a point of fact, an EU Referendum was not Cameron’s idea. Lib Dems, Greens and Labour all supported an in/out Referendum on EU membership and also had it in their manifestos. Lib Dems had been pushing it since 2008 and Labour were lucky to avoid one on the EU Constitutional Treaty (because France and The Netherlands had already held referendums and voted against).

All political parties were equally complacent on this question and an overwhelming majority of MPs across the House supported the ridiculous simple majority terms of the vote. No other country would have approved such momentous change on the back of a simple majority, one off vote. Complete failure of the entire political class.

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Absolutely this, I will never forgive the Labour party for this.

Beentheredonethat98 · 22/12/2025 07:59

Justchilling07 · 21/12/2025 23:15

Hmm, if you say so.That’s the problem we haven’t moved on? Wasn’t it David Cameron’s big idea, to put it to voters to stay or leave the E.U? Where’s all this money, the uk are now supposed to be saving from leaving the E.U, that’s what they said, according to the conservatives and reform???

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Just on a point of fact, an EU Referendum was not Cameron’s idea. Lib Dems, Greens and Labour all supported an in/out Referendum on EU membership and also had it in their manifestos. Lib Dems had been pushing it since 2008 and Labour were lucky to avoid one on the EU Constitutional Treaty (because France and The Netherlands had already held referendums and voted against).

All political parties were equally complacent on this question and an overwhelming majority of MPs across the House supported the ridiculous simple majority terms of the vote. No other country would have approved such momentous change on the back of a simple majority, one off vote. Complete failure of the entire political class.

aashish111 · 22/12/2025 07:57

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TeenagersAngst · 22/12/2025 07:46

ForCraftyWriter · 22/12/2025 07:04

Well who do you think has made the inroads reducing net migration from 900000 to 600000 to 200000 this year? This is the labour government clearing up the conservative legacy. These figures are 100 times more important than the boat people the press loves writing about

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Except the drop in migration has come from policies introduced by the Tories before they left office which Labour has continued with.

The Boris wave was a disaster and anyone in office after him would have reduced migration. The student visa disaster is also being exposed for what it is.

EasternStandard · 22/12/2025 07:40

ForCraftyWriter · 22/12/2025 07:04

Well who do you think has made the inroads reducing net migration from 900000 to 600000 to 200000 this year? This is the labour government clearing up the conservative legacy. These figures are 100 times more important than the boat people the press loves writing about

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I don’t think everyone agrees with you hence Labour trying to chase Reform with Mahmood’s policies.

ForCraftyWriter · 22/12/2025 07:04

Pinkponyclub3 · 21/12/2025 12:25

I didn't know any of this
Are labour making in roads to sorting it out

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Well who do you think has made the inroads reducing net migration from 900000 to 600000 to 200000 this year? This is the labour government clearing up the conservative legacy. These figures are 100 times more important than the boat people the press loves writing about

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 07:00

Pinkponyclub3 · 22/12/2025 05:42

That may not be bad thing
It may tone down reform,
And it may mean reform don't run a mock with the NHS

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Reform though! They give me the shivers, too many lies! As for the Conservatives, they ran amok when they were in last time.I think people are just fed up, right now, just blaming Labour but it’s not all Labour’s fault, the Conservatives did plenty of damage.

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Pinkponyclub3 · 22/12/2025 05:44

It does look to me like we are getting a reform government next time .
But that makes me very worried for the NHS and disabled individuals
They also talk tough on immigration,but don't have an actual plan for stopping the boats ...which I believe is why people are voting for them

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Pinkponyclub3 · 22/12/2025 05:42

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 00:23

People also liked Boris, thought he was going to be different @ExamHellDoubled that ended well🙄
Kemi has already said the conservatives are NOT ruling out going into coalition with reform! How very sensible!!! it sounds very much like if they can’t beat them they’ll join them.

That may not be bad thing
It may tone down reform,
And it may mean reform don't run a mock with the NHS

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Pinkponyclub3 · 22/12/2025 05:36

Beentheredonethat98 · 21/12/2025 18:32

I imagine the next election will see a lot of tactical voting to keep certain parties out of power. People will be voting AGAINST candidates not FOR them. So someone might vote Conservative to keep Reform out, or Lib Dem, or even Labour rather than allow a Reform candidate to win.
Same will apply to anyone trying to keep Your Party or the Greens out if they ever look like winning a particular seat.

My DH and a lot of my friends did this at the last election.they all voted lib dem to keep conservatives out ,as lib dem had most chance of winning in our area

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Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 00:23

People also liked Boris, thought he was going to be different @ExamHellDoubled that ended well🙄
Kemi has already said the conservatives are NOT ruling out going into coalition with reform! How very sensible!!! it sounds very much like if they can’t beat them they’ll join them.