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Conservatives closing the gap on reform

412 replies

Pinkponyclub3 · 21/12/2025 01:23

Any conservative supporters here ?
Recent reports say the gap on reform is closing
Having watched some clips of kemi in action,I was quite impressed
But I don't know much about the party having never voted conservative,
Have they more of an insight in to current feeling than labour?

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HoneyParsnipSoup · 22/12/2025 22:06

BIossomtoes · 22/12/2025 20:14

Google what she said.

I have. Which part is the bigoted part?

dwordle · 22/12/2025 21:43

Pinkponyclub3 · 21/12/2025 01:23

Any conservative supporters here ?
Recent reports say the gap on reform is closing
Having watched some clips of kemi in action,I was quite impressed
But I don't know much about the party having never voted conservative,
Have they more of an insight in to current feeling than labour?

I'm not a conservative voter but it's good news that they are. We don't want a reform government although I still strongly believe that this country needs 10 years of a Labour government and a government that is willing to talk about closer ties with Europe.

There are many many conservatives that also believe that Brexit has caused lasting damage and would like at the very least to negotiate a customs union

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 21:04

@PodMom @Blossomtoes Unfortunately that’s not going to stop reform, voting for the conservatives because both parties have said they will work together.

Southernecho · 22/12/2025 20:37

taxguru · 22/12/2025 20:04

Nail on the head. People seem to conveniently forget the damage done by Brown and Blair re immigration, "bigotted woman", and not putting limits on Eastern European immigration (when all other top EU economies did!).

East Europeans integrate well, SE Asians and Africans, less so, plus they bring in rather large families, unlike EU citizens will never return.

You Tory people get hung up of the former but are all fine with Boris and then Sunak letting in over 2m in just 2 years...unprecedented.

BIossomtoes · 22/12/2025 20:19

PodMom · 22/12/2025 20:15

It’s probably a pragmatic view. In the past I’d vote anyone to tactically try and keep the Tories out. I fear at the next election I’ll be voting Tory to try and keep Reform out.

That’s the awful position I suspect I’ll be in too. The only consolation is that our Tory MP is actually a good one, much as it pains me to admit it.

PodMom · 22/12/2025 20:15

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 10:00

@ThisQuirkyHare that’s rather defeatist, the lesser of 2 evils, in your opinion it will between them, so you’re going to help them on their way🤷‍♀️

It’s probably a pragmatic view. In the past I’d vote anyone to tactically try and keep the Tories out. I fear at the next election I’ll be voting Tory to try and keep Reform out.

BIossomtoes · 22/12/2025 20:14

HoneyParsnipSoup · 22/12/2025 20:13

Why?

Google what she said.

HoneyParsnipSoup · 22/12/2025 20:13

BIossomtoes · 22/12/2025 20:06

Gillian Duffy was a bigoted woman.

Why?

BIossomtoes · 22/12/2025 20:06

Gillian Duffy was a bigoted woman.

taxguru · 22/12/2025 20:04

EasternStandard · 22/12/2025 17:50

That ‘rub their noses in diversity’ didn’t help either. And generally ignoring people hence the Brown downfall.

To add if it’s a politician’s strategy to piss people off don’t be surprised when they kick back in votes.

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Nail on the head. People seem to conveniently forget the damage done by Brown and Blair re immigration, "bigotted woman", and not putting limits on Eastern European immigration (when all other top EU economies did!).

Southernecho · 22/12/2025 18:40

TeenagersAngst · 22/12/2025 17:31

I’m no fan of the Tory shitshow but let’s not be under any illusion, Brexit was years in the making. We should blame Tony Blair for the increasing political union with Europe. Cameron was left to deal with that. An economic union was just fine, but Europe weren’t content with that.

The majority of money lost to Covid fraud was furlough as recently reported, not PPE fraud. Dishonest businesses claiming money for staff who weren’t even working. Warms your heart, doesn’t it?

As to giving RR £40 billion, are you having an actual laugh?

Oh yes, Cameron just had to give us a referendum didn't he? no actually he didn't.
Should have been in a party manifesto, when it was, in 2015, UKIP got how many MPs??

Yes warms the heart, a Govt giving away 10s of billions with zero checks and then, when Sunak still had a chance to recover some of it, refused too, i guess it would have shown him up for the fool he is.

Yes 40bn for Reeves would have meant no business NI increases, would you be against that?

EasternStandard · 22/12/2025 17:50

TeenagersAngst · 22/12/2025 17:31

I’m no fan of the Tory shitshow but let’s not be under any illusion, Brexit was years in the making. We should blame Tony Blair for the increasing political union with Europe. Cameron was left to deal with that. An economic union was just fine, but Europe weren’t content with that.

The majority of money lost to Covid fraud was furlough as recently reported, not PPE fraud. Dishonest businesses claiming money for staff who weren’t even working. Warms your heart, doesn’t it?

As to giving RR £40 billion, are you having an actual laugh?

That ‘rub their noses in diversity’ didn’t help either. And generally ignoring people hence the Brown downfall.

To add if it’s a politician’s strategy to piss people off don’t be surprised when they kick back in votes.

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 17:42

Greenwitchart · 22/12/2025 17:04

Good.

I have never supported the conservatives but anything that prevents that far right, fake patriot, grifter Farage from ruining the country has to be welcome.

It won’t though, unfortunately, Kemi has already said the conservatives will work with Reform😔

TeenagersAngst · 22/12/2025 17:31

Southernecho · 22/12/2025 16:50

The Tories were by far the senior party in the coalition.

The endless drama you refer too, was caused by them and their Brexit policy, Cameron was a bloody idiot, this policy led to Boris and then Truss, tbh Sunak was little better, a recession in the last 6months of 2023 and "lost" £11bn in Covid fraud, then cancelled HS2, 29bn down the drain.

What could Reeves do with that £40 billion right now!

I’m no fan of the Tory shitshow but let’s not be under any illusion, Brexit was years in the making. We should blame Tony Blair for the increasing political union with Europe. Cameron was left to deal with that. An economic union was just fine, but Europe weren’t content with that.

The majority of money lost to Covid fraud was furlough as recently reported, not PPE fraud. Dishonest businesses claiming money for staff who weren’t even working. Warms your heart, doesn’t it?

As to giving RR £40 billion, are you having an actual laugh?

Greenwitchart · 22/12/2025 17:04

Good.

I have never supported the conservatives but anything that prevents that far right, fake patriot, grifter Farage from ruining the country has to be welcome.

Pinkponyclub3 · 22/12/2025 16:55

Now ,not know ..auto correct...

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Pinkponyclub3 · 22/12/2025 16:54

BurntBroccoli · 22/12/2025 15:21

Did you just block out the previous 14 years they were in? Austerity, university fees up massively (plus interest on the loans ), Brexit, Covid mishandling…

Prior to fear selling off of council houses without replacing, selling of utilities so everything costs more now, selling of water industry, transport…

God no . absolutely not
They were all disastrous decisions
But they are done know .
To be honest I'm politically homeless
I'm here starting this thread ,just clutching at straws as to which way to turn
Every time I think I'm settled on who I support, something comes up like what you just mentioned and I'm back to square one .
I'm very concerned about reform getting rid of the NHS
I'm very concerned labour don't have a clue what they are doing,busy giving our money away left right and centre..millions to Ukraine, millions to contraception in Pakistan,..making it easier to employ someone from India than UK ..
Conservatives started it all with the Boris wave ..and now it's out of control
Greens are of their trolley
And lib dems don't even feature
Where am I supposed to vote ...

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Southernecho · 22/12/2025 16:50

TeenagersAngst · 22/12/2025 15:52

Which previous government? Which particular administration do you take issue with? Or is it just ‘the last 14 years blah blah blah’ which if I hear another non-Conservative MP trot out I will need to distract myself my peeling off my own eyelids.

Did I sleepwalk through a coalition government for the first five years of that 14? Did I also sleepwalk through voters choosing successive Tory governments because the alternative was so unpalatable?

Boris and Truss were a disgrace but all other Conservative PMs were decent people dealing with endless drama. Keir Starmer wouldn’t have stood a chance then either.

The Tories were by far the senior party in the coalition.

The endless drama you refer too, was caused by them and their Brexit policy, Cameron was a bloody idiot, this policy led to Boris and then Truss, tbh Sunak was little better, a recession in the last 6months of 2023 and "lost" £11bn in Covid fraud, then cancelled HS2, 29bn down the drain.

What could Reeves do with that £40 billion right now!

LoisGriffinskitchen · 22/12/2025 16:44

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 16:44

The problem is though, The Tories, will go into coalition with Reform! That worries me, l don’t trust Reform.The conservatives will sadly align with Reform😔

Sadly I think you are right.

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 16:44

LoisGriffinskitchen · 22/12/2025 11:41

I’ll vote for whoever keeps Reform out. In my area that’s Conservative. We have a good and very proactive MP here.

However I don’t like Kemi, or any idiot saying publicly (as Kemi has) that you get Motability for ADHD. That’s bollocks and even worse is that she knows it’s bollocks but said it anyway….it placed her in the “nasty bitch” category of female politicians . I have a separate list for utter dicks (Farage)

The problem is though, The Tories, will go into coalition with Reform! That worries me, l don’t trust Reform.The conservatives will sadly align with Reform😔

TeenagersAngst · 22/12/2025 15:52

BIossomtoes · 22/12/2025 09:25

I know more people whose lives were adversely affected by the policies of the previous government.

Which previous government? Which particular administration do you take issue with? Or is it just ‘the last 14 years blah blah blah’ which if I hear another non-Conservative MP trot out I will need to distract myself my peeling off my own eyelids.

Did I sleepwalk through a coalition government for the first five years of that 14? Did I also sleepwalk through voters choosing successive Tory governments because the alternative was so unpalatable?

Boris and Truss were a disgrace but all other Conservative PMs were decent people dealing with endless drama. Keir Starmer wouldn’t have stood a chance then either.

Beentheredonethat98 · 22/12/2025 15:51

taxguru · 22/12/2025 15:48

Did you block out the intervening 13 years of Blair/Brown who did bugger all to deal with the problems and managed to make things worse?

Voting Tory or Labour is like being given two loaded guns and your only choice being which gun to shoot yourself with.

We've been governed by incompetents or fraudsters for decades now and continuing to vote Tory or Labour really won't solve the inherent problems.

Neither will voting for a bunch of even greater incompetents - Reform, Greens or Your Party.

UK voters can be very complacent about retaining what we have. Take a look at countries like Argentina (one of the wealthiest countries in the World 125 years ago) or Venezuela (destroyed by a series of incompetent, corrupt ideologues) It could happen here too.

taxguru · 22/12/2025 15:48

BurntBroccoli · 22/12/2025 15:21

Did you just block out the previous 14 years they were in? Austerity, university fees up massively (plus interest on the loans ), Brexit, Covid mishandling…

Prior to fear selling off of council houses without replacing, selling of utilities so everything costs more now, selling of water industry, transport…

Did you block out the intervening 13 years of Blair/Brown who did bugger all to deal with the problems and managed to make things worse?

Voting Tory or Labour is like being given two loaded guns and your only choice being which gun to shoot yourself with.

We've been governed by incompetents or fraudsters for decades now and continuing to vote Tory or Labour really won't solve the inherent problems.

TeenagersAngst · 22/12/2025 15:45

Justchilling07 · 22/12/2025 08:27

@EasternStandard hmm l just haven’t got a short memory, when it comes to the last government
who were in for 14 years.

Do you just ignore the first five years in coalition?

EasternStandard · 22/12/2025 15:43

BurntBroccoli · 22/12/2025 15:21

Did you just block out the previous 14 years they were in? Austerity, university fees up massively (plus interest on the loans ), Brexit, Covid mishandling…

Prior to fear selling off of council houses without replacing, selling of utilities so everything costs more now, selling of water industry, transport…

Idk if your job is secure but if it gets to that Labour’s not working advert stage there’ll just be a need for job creation.