Conservatives closing the gap on reform

Yeah apart from mine was inadvertent, yours was deliberately, doubling down on it when i told you it wasn't intended.
then you have the cheek to complain about the lack of polite discourse in debate.

Honestly, it worries me that so many people still default to the same two (now three) parties out of habit rather than conviction. That’s exactly how we end up stuck in the same political cycles.

It’s even worse when people vote for a party because the leader is charismatic, good on camera, or delivers great speeches. And single-issue voting leaves us all exposed. We’re really cooked. We need voters who think beyond habit and hype. The progress of the country deserves more thought than brand loyalty or popularity context.

Also, if everyone keeps saying “we can’t vote for anyone else or x party will win,” then no one ever votes for the party they actually believe in.

Just returning the favour.

Err i just told, other EU countries are not comparable to the UK.

Again, why is Chris Philp and Mel stride wrong? You want your own questions answered (which i did) but wont answer anyone else's.

The UK not applying EU law in the past, is not an argument to say Dublin wouldn't work.

Yes the numbers are all there, pre Brexit, no one crossed by small boat, post brexit, numbers rocketed.

Quite.

Yes indeed, calling me stupid.....

You read what wasn't there in the original message.

Well, that's some stupid logic dressed up as wisdom.

Your final sentence in your original message to me was patronising. Your political views are not superior to mine.

The UK has become worse and worse for this - that people allow themselves to sneer at people who vote differently to them. Where has polite discourse gone?

So no answer on which EU country uses the DA to resolve migration issues. Even knowing that people are repeating misinformation.

It was a very limited system. The numbers are all there.

The truth can hurt but is never patronising.

UK isn't in Schengen and has a sea border, so your question is irrelevant and if France refused to accept back we could go to court but the point here is, had we never left, we'd never have had this problem in the first place, we never had anything like this scale pre Brexit.

You clearly supported Brexit but now are jumping through some rather creative mental gymnastics to defend your choice.

How about answering why Chris Philp is wrong and backed up by Mel Stride too.

Maybe Kemi should get rid of these two incompetent ministers?

Yup, I would go ahead.

Thanks for the patronising message though.

If someone wants to point out which EU country uses the DA to resolve migration I’m ready to hear it.

Who deports enough people using the DA to do it?

If no one says which country then ask why misinformation has spread on what it does and how limited it is.

So Chris Philp, the Tories shadow Home Sec is wrong and you know better?

We wouldn't be sending back to a border state and we have a sea border, not an open Schengen land one.

Dublin acted as a deterrent pre officially leaving the EU in 2020, sure we had lorry crossings but far lower numbers and much easier to stop in France, due to so few ports and UK border in France.

Plus we will now be out of its replacement too, win win for the trafficking gangs.

It’s misinformation to talk about the DA deporting enough people to resolve migration issues or act as a deterrent.

Otherwise EU countries would use it to resolve the same crisis.

The numbers sent are publicly available people can check on how low they were.

Like i said, misinformed or voted for Brexit and in denial.

Dublin Agreement is very clear & we have a sea border, so we could legitimately take back migrants to France.

As any migrant interviewed in France says "We want to come to the UK because we will be able to stay"

Even Chris Philp, said exactly the same:

• *Leaked Comments (2020): Philp admitted that leaving the EU removed the ability to send asylum seekers back to other EU nations (under Dublin rules), hindering control over illegal crossings, especially via small boats*

The DA stuff is not correct. If it was a solution ROI and everyone else would use it to resolve their migration issues.

What would you or anyone else suggest?

We voted for Brexit, which means the legal migrants coming here are from other cultures and Brexit means we cannot deport back to France.

Anyone who says anything different, is misinformed or voted for Brexit! how many boats came here in 2019 vs 2024/25?

Bottom line is Dublin Agreement allowed deportations back to France and France couldn't do a thing about it but now they can.

Same ! Something needs to be done and fast …

I wouldn't, she claims that misogyny in boys doesn't exist, that we need more Police & violence against women is caused by immigrants.

Now putting aside i think thats rubbish, lets look at her party that slashed Police numbers by 20,000 and allowed in 2m migrants (net inside 2 years) she agreed with all of that.

We should also be rather concerned with her views on abortion and climate change.

But if you want a PM who is more rightwing than Geogia Meloni in Italy or Maria le Pen in France, go ahead.

I'd love Kemi to get a shot at being PM. She stood up for women's rights at a time when everybody else had their heads in the sand, including 'women have penises' Starmer.

She may not be the Tory leader by the next election and in any case one nation Tories would never countenance it. The one I’m married to would just not vote.

@JoyintheMorning How can you be sure of that?
Kemi, the leader of the Conservatives has already said, she’s not ruling out a coalition with Reform, so they are open to working with reform.
This information is common knowledge.

The problem is though, The Tories, will go into coalition with Reform! That worries me, l don’t trust Reform. The conservatives will sadly align with Reform.
No they won't, I am sure of that. We are members of The Conservative Party. There might well be some deals on individual problems.
Both Tory and Reform members remember how Nick Clegg became a nobody in the Coalition where they abandoned the objection to University Fees. Reform might like to try it as a takeover bid. We, Tories will NOT agree to it.

Nice try. I’m not rising to it. Try elsewhere.