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Lammy to remove Juries for most cases

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Bumblebee72 · 25/11/2025 14:11

It being reported by the Times that Lammy is going to remove the right to choose a jury for all but a few cases. This is a shocking role back of British rights.

And they say we need to worry about Reform........

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twistyizzy · 25/11/2025 16:08

I wonder whether those posters in support of this would still agree if Reform were bringing this in? Or the Tories? It's the same with digital ID.

UrbanFan · 25/11/2025 16:06

I've done jury service twice and from what I have seen from inside the jury room. I would rather see a professional panel instead of the current system.

It couldn't be any worse, will likely be better and hopefully will improve the system.

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Bumblebee72 · 25/11/2025 16:06

CorneliaCupp · 25/11/2025 15:59

Isn't that basically what the assisted dying bill is? A money saving exercise?

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Not really. Assisted dying is your body your choice. For the incorrectly accused, this is removing a right for when you liberty has already taken away by the force of the state.

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twistyizzy · 25/11/2025 16:01

Bromptotoo · 25/11/2025 15:29

He's got no choice but to accept Lord Leveson's recommendations.

The Crown Court is overwhelmed and has been chronically underfunded since before 2010.

This goes beyond Levison recommendations though

CorneliaCupp · 25/11/2025 15:59

Bumblebee72 · 25/11/2025 15:54

So rather than funding it just remove one the core premises of Justice - that 12 of your peers decide on guilt or not. Maybe they could change the core premise of medicine from "not causing harm" to "do whatever's cheapest".

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Isn't that basically what the assisted dying bill is? A money saving exercise?

NellieJean · 25/11/2025 15:57

Simonjt · 25/11/2025 15:31

Think about the average member of the public, would you really want them deciding your fate?

Are you happy with the number of rapists who aren’t found guilty? Or do you genuinely think the majority of rape victims are liars?

Spot on. If you have ever done jury service you wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of some of the “thinking” that goes into verdicts.

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Bumblebee72 · 25/11/2025 15:54

Bromptotoo · 25/11/2025 15:29

He's got no choice but to accept Lord Leveson's recommendations.

The Crown Court is overwhelmed and has been chronically underfunded since before 2010.

So rather than funding it just remove one the core premises of Justice - that 12 of your peers decide on guilt or not. Maybe they could change the core premise of medicine from "not causing harm" to "do whatever's cheapest".

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JustAn0therUsername · 25/11/2025 15:50

Bumblebee72 · 25/11/2025 15:47

If I was falsely accused by the state of having done something I would rather than 12 randomly chosen people decide than one person. There are lots of crimes which are subjective.

Rape decisions are irrelevant since that is one area not proposed to change.

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Most decisions would be by a panel, not just one person, certainly if we follow the lead of other countries in this.

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Bumblebee72 · 25/11/2025 15:47

Simonjt · 25/11/2025 15:31

Think about the average member of the public, would you really want them deciding your fate?

Are you happy with the number of rapists who aren’t found guilty? Or do you genuinely think the majority of rape victims are liars?

If I was falsely accused by the state of having done something I would rather than 12 randomly chosen people decide than one person. There are lots of crimes which are subjective.

Rape decisions are irrelevant since that is one area not proposed to change.

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JustAn0therUsername · 25/11/2025 15:35

There are many countries without jury’s or with really restricted use of a jury. If it allows the court system to get moving again I’d be keen to see the proposals.

Simonjt · 25/11/2025 15:31

Think about the average member of the public, would you really want them deciding your fate?

Are you happy with the number of rapists who aren’t found guilty? Or do you genuinely think the majority of rape victims are liars?

Bromptotoo · 25/11/2025 15:29

He's got no choice but to accept Lord Leveson's recommendations.

The Crown Court is overwhelmed and has been chronically underfunded since before 2010.

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