Anyone else really concerned about asylum seekers killing people, seemingly to get a life term prison sentence?

Did you actually read my post? That includes rent, bills and council tax.
The rent is around 2.5k plus bills and council tax. So the £800 a month is after all the big things have gone out.
So I guess that's around 5k a month to the tax payer for one family. Do you think that's sustainable in the current climate?

I have been reading the details of this horrible case. Gurvinder Johal's family has actually said they want the murderer to serve his sentence in the UK rather than being deported.

Edited to add link:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyld1p0lw1o

wow they taking it in 200 per week for a family of seven to pay bills food clothes and other necessities wow where do I sign up

Everything @RammyEwie has said.
Just going to add, people in Derby are not thick racist Daily Mail readers. It’s a hugely multicultural city and has been since I was born there way back in the 70s. Everyone rubs along just fine. The issue is, and always will be, the difference between families from other countries choosing to move here for better job prospects and education, and the hordes of (mainly young) men with no prospects, no care for women, children and our culture, and a lot of drug/alcohol/mental health issues.

OP has probably been reading the Derby Telegraph or BBC Derby, rather than the Daily Mail.

It was a shocking, senseless crime. The offender chose his victim randomly from sitting across the road, walked into the bank, stuck his knife into his victim, and walked out. He was in the bank for 22 seconds. That 22 seconds stole a life; a family man, a business owner, a well regarded member of the local community.

Broad daylight, middle of a busy day.
(Followed up a few weeks later by a gang of masked youths smashing their way through the jeweller's window directly opposite- naturally no one tried to stop them because of the very high risk of violence)

Derby like many other Midland/ Northern cities and towns has its social and economic problems. Its capacity to deal with people of violent, (traumatised?) disposition who have engaged with criminal networks to travel across Europe is very limited. Significant proportions of the local population are already struggling and have been for many years.

Derby's problems are complex and not down to any specific demographic, but a constant trickle of incoming people with complex problems and extremely limited support does no one any favours. Derby is hardly unique either.

I really don't know what the answer is because we live in an interconnected world where people can keep trying and moving around, but we are stuck in a politically messy situation where it's difficult to establish peoples' origins, motivations and needs, and there are a number of dangerous people who exploit that to the detriment of the rest of society.

Really? When someone suffers a horrendous crime.

This but most people who are convicted of a crime only serve a fraction of their sentence then they are released to commit more crimes. This is true of both British born people and asylum seekers. It used to be they served at least half of sentence but lack of jail space means some only serve a third of original sentence.

What an original comment. If you'd bothered to read properly you would see this happened locally to OP.

Did you swallow a daily mail op?

Yes and add the earlier scoffing post by another pp to that.

Well the British forced used around 1200 interpreters yet they have allowed at least 20,000 Afghans to settle her😡

They can return and do return illegally. The option of getting out of jail and then returning back outweighs the benefits of having legal status. Illegal immigrants and criminals are a completely different, unchecked, community that thrive here

They sell things or get into debt to pay for the journey and when they get work send money home so that the weaker members of their family can live.

I don’t think they do it to go to jail, the they have housing and food and freedoms. I think the small amount of violent migrants it is poor impulse control and possibly a criminal background or coming from a background of normalised violence.

The knife attack yesterday by a migrant who lived here for 5 years -given leave to remain in Uxbridge the migrant attacked Mr Singh who he was staying with for no apparent reason then a boy and then he killed the male dog walker all for no apparent reason.

Uxbridge Hillingdon area of London has the highest number of migrant HMO’s and this woman rang a talk show to tell how it has affected crime in her area.

Talk radio

"WE'RE NOT RACIST WE'RE PETRIFIED"

"WHAT ARE THESE POLITICIANS DOING TO US. THEY'RE PUTTING EVERYONE IN DANGER"

"I DON'T LEAVE THE HOUSE WITHOUT A MAN"

• My local shop has had 3 stabbings. 1 Murder.
• My friend was murdered last year
• A girl I know was murdered in the park
• I'm begging my son to leave the country
• My cousin was murdered

"OUR FRIENDS. OUR FAMILY ARE DYING"

It’s actually getting greener though

"The women who backed Phillips said they worry that focusing only on street grooming will exclude those whose group-based exploitation had begun online, through peers or family members."

These females were not groomed by Pakistani rape gangs

It doesn't make their experiences any less horrific, but puts them in a different category.

Yes, their exploitation should be investigated, but in a separate enquiry.

Farage was correct that to do otherwise would make the enquiry too broad and too cumbersome.

Even if we deport foreign criminals there isn’t a watertight guarantee that they will be detained once they get back to their own country, if they have not committed a crime there.

but workers get UC as well

here's a few figures from DWP and ONS

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/at-least-19-million-foreign-nationals

@potato08 i'm not white, many people mistake me for being mixed race but I'm actually not mixed. Just have the Meghan Markle type colouring. I don't tend to talk about it in real life because I'll just get called a racist. Some people seem very keen to label me but that is usually the left wingers.

maybe lots of people are quietly getting angry who weren't angry before. I used to live near one of these hotels in London. It wasn't really something I could express concerns about. That one opened in 2018. It's closed now, but also I've moved. There is one now nearish but not walking distance, luckily for me.

Denmark has almost stopped migrant arrivals by drastically reducing social benefits. Authorities seize valuables worth more than 10,000 kroner (approximately $1,500) from arriving migrants to help cover their costs.

It's also the insidious crimes. Mothers not wanting to take their children to the swimming baths, getting rubbed up against on public transport and numerous other things that make women and girls uncomfortable.

For those of us that live in the town that OP is referring to it is our real life.
if you were in the bank or the nearby shops that afternoon or knew the man in question then it’s a bloody horrible feeling.
So p*ss off and patronise someone else.

The % in prison broadly reflects the % in the general population.

I despair at the shit show of a country we live in.

@imapeucetoothbrushhttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/29/female-survivors-of-grooming-gangs-demand-apology-from-nigel-farage?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Once you claim asylum you aren’t illegal. And the vast majority of countries in the world have a mechanism to claim asylum.

The Uk isn’t special in this regard. The benefits asylum seekers get are similar to others in Europe.

There is more conflict and unrest in the world than there has been for decades and huge numbers of people are on the move around the world. 75% will stay in neighbouring countries so we are seeing only a very small part of this.

Well that's not strictly true. UK jails are full of foreign criminals. Currently around 12.5% of all prisoners in UK jails are not British citizens.