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Why don’t Labour get it?

211 replies

MincePiesAndStilton · 29/10/2025 06:57

Discussing with DH yesterday about the general state the country is in. Am I being daft, or is it not that hard to fix?

  • Cut welfare spending. The country can’t afford it and the current system doesn’t promote independent living. Financial support for those who need it, practical support to get those who can work, doing so e.g. young people
  • Get building. We are desperately in need of new infrastructure in this country. Bridges, roads, prisons, schools and hospitals to name but a few. Doing this creates jobs and economic stimulation, see point 1. Get building = get the economy moving.
  • Invest in public services - stop playing the “fiscal rules” card and start making sure there are plenty of good quality jobs to tax people at a reasonable level at. See point 1 again. Things like oh I don’t know, the Police, Prisons and Border Force to keep the country safe and make it less attractive to those who want to come here and do harm. And before anyone jumps on me, no - I’m not anti immigrants, anti asylum seekers or anything else. Some people need our help. Some people want to come here and sexually assault women and children. Those two sets of people need treating very differently.

Instead, what we’re going to get is more tax rises, fewer services, more welfare and no progress on immigration. That will let Reform in through the back door and then we’re in real trouble.

What am I missing?

OP posts:
TwistyTurnip · 29/10/2025 07:30

HeavenInMyHeart · 29/10/2025 07:25

I don’t care. It’s going to bankrupt the country. I also believe they should go one step further and means test the state pension for anyone aged 60 and above. Why should people with huge private pensions, rental properties and the like, claim a state benefit?

It’s not a state benefit. They worked and paid into it their whole lives.

Freysimo · 29/10/2025 07:26

Aaron95 · 29/10/2025 07:20

Its not as easy as saying get building. There are only so many skilled bricklayers, plumbers, electricians etc. to do the work. It's nigh on impossible to get a good tradesman to do a small job because most are already employed building houses.

This is the fault of Tony Blair's "all young people should go to uni". No, the only people who should go are those academically inclined. We desperately need builders etc and apprenticeship programmes, not young people with useless media studies degrees and huge loans. Bring back technical colleges and recognise universities are not for everyone.

HeavenInMyHeart · 29/10/2025 07:25

luckylavender · 29/10/2025 07:23

And you think there wouldn’t be a major kick back? Also pensioners vote

I don’t care. It’s going to bankrupt the country. I also believe they should go one step further and means test the state pension for anyone aged 60 and above. Why should people with huge private pensions, rental properties and the like, claim a state benefit?

WhitegreeNcandle · 29/10/2025 07:25

We need to change our attitude to work and our expectations of work. Frankly, a lot of people don’t just need support to work, they need to just get on and work.

luckylavender · 29/10/2025 07:23

HeavenInMyHeart · 29/10/2025 07:12

The one thing they could do to solve some of the issues is cutting the triple lock for state pensions.

And you think there wouldn’t be a major kick back? Also pensioners vote

Aaron95 · 29/10/2025 07:22

Cut welfare spending. Which parts would you cut? The largest part of the welfare budget is pensions. That expenditure has been growing and growing as the population has been getting older. And that's the main problem right there. People are living longer, are drawing pensions for far longer and for obvious reasons older people use more public services such as healthcare so spending on that has to increase.

ButtonMushrooms · 29/10/2025 07:22

HeavenInMyHeart · 29/10/2025 07:12

The one thing they could do to solve some of the issues is cutting the triple lock for state pensions.

I agree. I'm surprised you didn't mention this OP. Generational unfairness.

Aaron95 · 29/10/2025 07:20

Its not as easy as saying get building. There are only so many skilled bricklayers, plumbers, electricians etc. to do the work. It's nigh on impossible to get a good tradesman to do a small job because most are already employed building houses.

Theolittle · 29/10/2025 07:19

It was so disappointing when they tried to cut welfare their own backbenchers (and the press) scuppered it. Why does this country have so many more people with mental health problems than the rest of the world?

Putting up taxes or scrapping triple lock is political suicide but has to be done - the aging population is crippling the UK

HeavenInMyHeart · 29/10/2025 07:12

The one thing they could do to solve some of the issues is cutting the triple lock for state pensions.

ShesTheAlbatross · 29/10/2025 07:09

On your first point about welfare, they (“they” being the front bench) tried to cut welfare and no one was happy about it. You can’t say it was a widely popular change, just read the MN threads at the time. The Tories said it was cruel (despite their manifesto saying they’d cut more than double what Labour was going to, and I don’t see how that was possible without them being cruel by their own definition), and the Labour backbench wouldn’t support it.
Everyone lost their minds over the WFA changes.
So what specific (not vague “support for those who need it”) changes would you bring in that would get through and have public support - I assume you want it to have public support since you want to keep Reform out.

And scrapping the two child benefit cap, which I think is pretty much guaranteed now, is a Reform policy. They support that increased welfare.

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