Why don’t Labour get it?

Without that shelf stacker you won’t be able to purchase anything in the shops

As if they could do this! Everyone lost their shit when they tried to means test the winter fuel allowance. It was made crystal clear that pensioners are untouchable, so the rest of us are going to have to work harder, retire later & pay more tax to fund them.

The pension isn’t charity. It’s a social contract. Breaking it reveals more about your contempt for working people than any manifesto ever could.

You don't think the social
contract for hoping people is broken?!

So?
Education and opportunity is avaliable to everyone in this country at all ages.
It's not the doctors fault that the shelf stacker preferred relaxing, hobbies and socialising to studying for a better paid job.

To dismiss pensioners as burdens is not just economically illiterate, it’s morally bankrupt.

They are not a burden, it's economically illiterate to recognise that changing demographics makes the current model unsustainable. It's morally bankrupt to keep increasing the burden on young people & expecting them to pay more for things that will never see...

And stop giving state pension credits to working age benefit claimants - you don't work then you don't get.

That would impact a lot of current pensioners

Well no, that’s not fair. 30% to minimum wage workers represents a much larger percentage of their spending power than the highest earners.

They worked and paid into it their whole lives.

The issue is we haven't paid anywhere near enough tax for the NHS model and state pension.

It’s not a state benefit. They worked and paid into it their whole lives.

It is a benefit & the issue is it's paid forward. When the demographics change it doesn't work. We already have more over 65 yr olds than under 15 yr olds, just think logically about it.

We should tax everyone the same.
Tax free £17500 a year then 30% on all income - wages, pensions rents, dividends, interest on bank accounts, and all state benefits.
Can't say it's not fair when we all pay the same rate.

The one thing they could do to solve some of the issues is cutting the triple lock for state pensions.

Pause it for a few years and put the money into infrastructure. A lot of the public won't tolerate it though.

Jean-Claude Junker put it best: politicians the world over know what needs to be done, just not how to get re-elected having done it

That’s two separate groups though.

can’t work? You should be looked after by the government. Won’t work? Okay, that’s your choice, good luck.

Everyone lost their minds over the WFA changes.

They means tested it, the outcry was ridiculous!

Instead, what we’re going to get is more tax rises, fewer services, more welfare and no progress on immigration

I don't disagree with the above, the demographics and lack of investment since 08 makes it's inevitable.

If you take all the current spending on welfare including state pensions and housing benefit and divi it between everyone in the country it comes to approx £300 a month person.
How are the millions who can't/won't work going to live on that?

Cut welfare spending.

How do you do that with an ageing population? It also means a sicker working age population as the state pension age increases.

Get building

Great idea, we need to overhaul the planning system first

Invest in public services

And the money for this comes from?

Sadly I think your AI model has misunderstood how the pension works in the UK.

It’s astonishing how easily some people forget that the UK state pension is not a handout. Its a deferred wage earned through decades of National Insurance contributions, often made under far harsher working conditions than today. To dismiss pensioners as burdens is not just economically illiterate, it’s morally bankrupt. These are the very people who built the infrastructure, paid into the system, and upheld the public services that younger generations now rely on. If you genuinely believe in fairness and solidarity—as Labour claims to, then you might want to reflect on the hypocrisy of sneering at those who’ve already paid their dues. The pension isn’t charity. It’s a social contract. Breaking it reveals more about your contempt for working people than any manifesto ever could.

Or how about we start taxing the wealthiest in society as opposed to the poorest all the time?

Or how about we start taxing the wealthiest in society as opposed to the poorest all the time?

Not being daft

but being incredibly and farcically naive and simplistic

What about all the working age benefit claimants- those working part time or not at all.
Increase the AET thresholds. The current couples threshold is £1534.39 - thats 34 hours at minimum wage - couples can easily work more than that between them.
State pension is earned by years working. If you want to cut pensioner benefits abolish pension credit and stop giving the feckless a pension almost equal to an earned one. Let them stay on UC jnstead.
And stop giving state pension credits to working age benefit claimants - you don't work then you don't get.

How about something a bit radical like a UBI or introduce a 4 day week? Do something different.

There needs to be more innovative ideas explored.

No, it’s a state benefit.

You do not have a little pension pot with the government. There isn’t a little account that says “TwistyTurnip’s pension” on it. You pay national insurance to fund the NHS and the pensioners of the day. They worked and paid NI, for the pensioners at their time.

it is, in effect, a universal basic income for the over 65s. Paid for by the young workers.