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“Tax the wealthy” (RR budget) what does this even mean?

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gggddjkki · 16/10/2025 08:32

I don’t remember anxiously waiting for budgets like we have the last few years earlier on in my adulthood. But when you read statements like this (as I have seen in the headlines today) what do you interpret it to mean? What does taxing the wealthy look like to you? Taxing higher earners more? From what point? Higher taxes on industry?

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Savoury · 17/10/2025 07:58

What it means is that the small business owner who took a loan to start a business, took no pay out for years and somehow against all the odds, scrambled to form a business and is now selling it, will now get taxed as if he/she turned up to a job 9-5 and got a salary for taking no risk.

It means that the small time landlady who has 6

It means that the small time landlady who has 3 properties she keeps well and treats tenants fairly will also be slammed when she wants to sell these. Not surprisingly she’ll probably sell these to a multi national asset sucker who won’t care less about the community, because who else would want to reviled as much as landlords are in the UK?

What about the computer programmer or sales person in a start up, working long unpaid hours well under market rate, on the potential promise of a pay out if successful? Would you take this risk?

There is likely to be extensive reform of the capital gains regime which will lead to less risk taking and a much less entrepreneurial country. In turn, this means less tax income as people leave the UK and start businesses and invest capital elsewhere.

If you get any benefit at all - child benefit, universal credit, pension - this is bad news.

Bumblebee72 · 17/10/2025 07:53

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Are there any Tories left? I'm going Reform like 35% of the country.

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 17/10/2025 07:52

I read it as meaning...
We will do fuck all to tax wealth or the wealthy but will tax the MC wwho are already net contributors to the hilt.

Flakey99 · 17/10/2025 07:50

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nellly · 17/10/2025 07:48

Catpiece · 16/10/2025 09:41

It’ll be wealth tax, not income. Hopefully large corporations who pay the least tax they can?

In fairness doesn’t everyone pay the least they can lol? I’m a middle earner and I assure you I don’t voluntarily pay more 😁

twistyizzy · 17/10/2025 07:46

Bumblebee72 · 17/10/2025 07:43

Because it is just virtual signalling. One person even responded in the past to say they would if they could trust the government to spend it wisely, they didn't get the irony in that.

Lol cross posts 😄

EasternStandard · 17/10/2025 07:45

Bumblebee72 · 17/10/2025 07:39

When ever people say tax the wealthy they nearly always mean the same thing - tax people wealthier than me.

Then you get the virtual signalers who come along saying they would love to pay more tax but funnily enough they never actually do in practice. .

Yep exactly

Bumblebee72 · 17/10/2025 07:45

Anthempart2 · 17/10/2025 07:40

Make a change? How have they ‘attacked’ the poor and vulnerable as it is? There are plenty of 6ft drug taking men on benefits who spend their days robbing shops and intimidating the public. Are they vulnerable?

We need a total redefinition of the word, it’s utterly meaningless

If being attacked means being given ever increasing amounts of money, hopefully, Reeves will come and attack people like me!

twistyizzy · 17/10/2025 07:45

Bumblebee72 · 17/10/2025 07:39

When ever people say tax the wealthy they nearly always mean the same thing - tax people wealthier than me.

Then you get the virtual signalers who come along saying they would love to pay more tax but funnily enough they never actually do in practice. .

👏👏 yes when it's pointed out that there currently exists a system whereby they can voluntarily pay more tax, they all backtrack and start making excuses 🤣

It's just virtue signalling.

Bumblebee72 · 17/10/2025 07:43

Anthempart2 · 17/10/2025 07:41

You can if you want to! You can make a voluntary donation to HMRC, you can even specify where you want it to go. Why don’t they?

Because it is just virtual signalling. One person even responded in the past to say they would if they could trust the government to spend it wisely, they didn't get the irony in that.

Anthempart2 · 17/10/2025 07:41

Bumblebee72 · 17/10/2025 07:39

When ever people say tax the wealthy they nearly always mean the same thing - tax people wealthier than me.

Then you get the virtual signalers who come along saying they would love to pay more tax but funnily enough they never actually do in practice. .

You can if you want to! You can make a voluntary donation to HMRC, you can even specify where you want it to go. Why don’t they?

Anthempart2 · 17/10/2025 07:40

BoredZelda · 16/10/2025 11:20

I wonder if the people complaining about a tax rise are the same ones who are saying “as hard as it is, disabled people just have to accept they can’t get anything for free, we just can’t afford it”

Yes, it will be interesting to see where they draw the line but if she is using the term “wealthy” then at least we know she isn’t targeting poor and vulnerable people, which will make a nice change. I already pay more tax as a higher rate taxpayer, living in Scotland. I don’t notice the difference, even though I’m not what most people would consider as “wealthy”. I suspect those in a similar financial position to me would only complain about a rise in tax if A) they objected to it on principle or B) have a real issue about where money is being spent.

As far as I’m concerned, if it can help get us out of the mess we’re in, I’d rather they took the money off me, than off people like my disabled daughter.

Make a change? How have they ‘attacked’ the poor and vulnerable as it is? There are plenty of 6ft drug taking men on benefits who spend their days robbing shops and intimidating the public. Are they vulnerable?

We need a total redefinition of the word, it’s utterly meaningless

Bumblebee72 · 17/10/2025 07:39

When ever people say tax the wealthy they nearly always mean the same thing - tax people wealthier than me.

Then you get the virtual signalers who come along saying they would love to pay more tax but funnily enough they never actually do in practice. .

slightlyunimpressed · 17/10/2025 07:34

Ihateboris · 16/10/2025 18:41

The likes of the Duke of Westminster et al need to start paying their fair share of tax. He didn't have to pay any IHT on his late father's estate (approx £9 BILLION)due to the assets technically being held in Trust. These tax avoidance schemes should stop.

Also, the God damn lazy Royal family need to start paying their fair share...and not just what they feel like paying.

The Duke of Westminster and other similar landowners don’t pay IHT but they do pay trust taxes of 6% of the value of the trust every 10 years rather than a lump sum of 40% on death. The trust tax is designed to be slightly more than IHT over a life time (42 per cent over 70 years).

EasternStandard · 17/10/2025 07:17

Overthemhills · 16/10/2025 20:04

@twistyizzy
I don’t think that’s true. I know you hate this government and that’s fair enough but I really don’t think it is house prices/value or smaller businesses that she means. Her interview statement certainly didn’t indicate as much

She’s already hammered smaller businesses. That’s why she and Starmer need to come back for more after saying they would not.

This a their failing and they should stick to the pledge not to rinse people again after the last borrowing and tax hike budget.

Blarghism · 17/10/2025 07:03

Leavesfalling · 16/10/2025 10:00

The IFS says the UK needs to cut benefits to regain credibility with the bond markets. The trouble is the Labour benches won't allow that.
Income tax rise will be what will have to happen. We all need to chip in not just the wealthy who bear a disproportionate burden already. It's a fine balance. One that Labour won't strike.

Well, look what happened when they tried to scrap the winter fuel allowance for wealthy pensioners, following the advice of the IFS and scrapping the triple lock is also likely to cause upset no matter how much it is needed.

Readyforslippers · 17/10/2025 06:18

EasternStandard · 16/10/2025 11:28

Yeh £500k is a bad idea. There are many cash strapped and with regular jobs in SE in a house like that.

Not just the SE.

80smonster · 17/10/2025 06:14

It means rinse the middle class, doubt they will go for the actual wealthy, it’s more complicated than taxing people who can’t afford to run. Someone who owns a house over 500k in London is probably living in a flat anyway. Such utter bullshit.

Nolletimiere · 17/10/2025 06:10

Reeves should be encouraged to really go for the ‘squeezed middle’, yes including taxing property over 500k - preferably lower, say 350k.

TeenagersAngst · 17/10/2025 05:26

MajesticWhine · 17/10/2025 00:12

National Insurance on rental income has been floated as an idea. I don’t like it but it’s better than a “mansion” tax.

As long as you’re ok with the cost being passed on to tenants?

TeenagersAngst · 17/10/2025 05:23

Labraradabrador · 16/10/2025 21:44

What you propose is a sure fire way to reduce private rental availability- caps on rent and housing shortages go hand in hand.

As anyone who knows anything about the rental market already knows (presumably not @Barleycat), landlords are already being driven out of the market and selling up. It started under George Osborne in 2015.

I think tenants are worse off, not better. They certainly don’t have any more money to spend.

Any more bright ideas @Barleycat?

MajesticWhine · 17/10/2025 00:12

National Insurance on rental income has been floated as an idea. I don’t like it but it’s better than a “mansion” tax.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 16/10/2025 23:52

PlaceIntheClouds · 16/10/2025 09:34

Take from the workers and give to the shirkers.
Labour 2024-2029

Make it stop

Oh god, it’s so depressing when I see that year. 2029…..it feels a looonnng way away . God give us mercy, give us a GE!

IDoHaveACrystalBall · 16/10/2025 23:44

caringcarer · 16/10/2025 22:03

As DWP will soon to be able to look at everyones bank account will she simply slap a tax on anyone with cash over £500k in the bank, stocks, or shares?

As per my question on mortgages

How would they value the shares? With different prices every day.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 16/10/2025 23:37

IDoHaveACrystalBall · 16/10/2025 10:34

Valued by whom?

That's exactly the kind of thing this government won't think about - the consequences of their decisions and how they work in practice.

they need to make cuts, but they will never do that. The Conservatives didn't do it either.

reform of inheritance tax could be reasonable, but They'd literally have to announce "from this moment on, anyone who dies, their estate will be subject to..." and fix a time!

The sad thing is, they probably haven't considered that either.

Yes and someone with a big mortgage? Or has it paid off? My parents house has gone way up
in value in the 40 years since they bought it but they have modest pensions