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“Tax the wealthy” (RR budget) what does this even mean?

639 replies

gggddjkki · 16/10/2025 08:32

I don’t remember anxiously waiting for budgets like we have the last few years earlier on in my adulthood. But when you read statements like this (as I have seen in the headlines today) what do you interpret it to mean? What does taxing the wealthy look like to you? Taxing higher earners more? From what point? Higher taxes on industry?

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Meadowfinch · 17/10/2025 12:37

I'm trying not to think about it. I live in the south east so my very average, scruffy house is worth over £500k. I'm in my 60s, my income is dropping as I approach the end of my career, I'm a single mum and my ds is about to go to university, with all the costs that entails.

2% tax on my house value is half my income. 😳

MO0N · 17/10/2025 12:29

It's all feeling very:
🔊 "house price crash in-coming"
isn't it😳

Bruisername · 17/10/2025 12:22

sammyspoon · 17/10/2025 12:19

How would this work in practice? Our home hasn’t been valued in 20 years since we bought it.

The admin cost to do this would be huge

they could use something like Zoopla but then they’d be challenged constantly as it’s impossible to extrapolate an accurate value that way unless the houses are identical

sammyspoon · 17/10/2025 12:19

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 17/10/2025 11:02

The rumour is they will be going after home owners whose house is valued over £500k. Basically taxing you to live in your own home! Imagine being a mortgage free retired couple getting slapped with a 2% of your house value 'wealth tax,' you'd be paying £12k a year just to live in your £600k house. I think part of the idea is to force old people into smaller properties to free up homes for families.

I have to say I've never been so concerned about an incoming budget in my life!

DH and I are often talking about where we will move to once the kids are fully independent and our parents are gone.

How would this work in practice? Our home hasn’t been valued in 20 years since we bought it.

CatusFlatus · 17/10/2025 12:19

Bumblebee72 · 17/10/2025 07:39

When ever people say tax the wealthy they nearly always mean the same thing - tax people wealthier than me.

Then you get the virtual signalers who come along saying they would love to pay more tax but funnily enough they never actually do in practice. .

This totally.

Even more so, celebrities who preach to ordinary people.

Bruisername · 17/10/2025 12:15

This budget is going to be make or break for her.

if she messes it up the markets will react as they did to Truss and they’ll have to scramble to reverse things

suburburban · 17/10/2025 12:14

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 17/10/2025 11:02

The rumour is they will be going after home owners whose house is valued over £500k. Basically taxing you to live in your own home! Imagine being a mortgage free retired couple getting slapped with a 2% of your house value 'wealth tax,' you'd be paying £12k a year just to live in your £600k house. I think part of the idea is to force old people into smaller properties to free up homes for families.

I have to say I've never been so concerned about an incoming budget in my life!

DH and I are often talking about where we will move to once the kids are fully independent and our parents are gone.

Yes this.

Meadowfinch · 17/10/2025 12:13

Leavesfalling · 16/10/2025 09:32

She will go for anyone with a house valued over £500,000 I reckon.

That's most of the south east of England. She'd be signing her own P45

suburburban · 17/10/2025 12:12

Newmeagain · 17/10/2025 11:41

i have posted about this before but it is seriously worrying to me. I am in my 50s and am not at all wealthy - live a very ordinary life in London - no car, no investments. For the first time in decades I am earning a decent salary and already pay huge amounts of tax. It would seriously piss me off if I suddenly had to pay a “wealth” tax just because I have put all my life’s earnings into a very small house. I don’t even have much of a pension pot!

Yes I can totally relate to this scenario

house prices are crazy in SE

and I’ve never worried about a budget in my entire life

the government disgusts me

suburburban · 17/10/2025 12:10

Nolletimiere · 17/10/2025 12:08

First-time buyers are sleepwalking into a new mortgage crisis under Labour, data suggests.

Some 40pc of first-time buyers took out mortgages between 90 and 95pc loan-to-value in July, according to analysis by UK Finance.
The number peaked at 41pc in April, after the Chancellor opted to end the stamp duty holiday.

It marks a worrying return to the levels seen in the run-up to the global financial crisis and means 34,992 people are being left “with very little equity buffer”, experts have warned.

Two years earlier, under the previous government, 33pc of first-time buyers were taking out these mortgages.

Go on, Reeves - do it - impose CGT on main residences!

Just no

we have to live somewhere and it’s expensive to buy another property even if you downsize.

CandidHedgehog · 17/10/2025 12:10

CryMyEyesViolet · 17/10/2025 09:10

Nor do I (absent those who built their wealth from say drug dealing) which is why I’m interested to know exactly what PP wants to be taxed.

Just to note, big league drug dealers launder their money (most capital assets can’t be paid for cash in hand these days) and they can’t afford to have the tax man getting curious so they pay full tax and don’t seek out borderline legal loopholes like people who haven’t earned their money dishonestly.

The street dealing addicts who spend their pay on the product don’t pay tax but none of them could be described as ‘wealthy’.

Bruisername · 17/10/2025 12:09

Can you imagine paying 2% annually on the value of your house only to end up in negative equity and a forced sale in a property crash?

the government should be encouraging people to be financially independent - adding layers of costs onto pensions, savings and primary residences just makes it harder for people and more likely they will need to use the safety net at some point

Nolletimiere · 17/10/2025 12:08

First-time buyers are sleepwalking into a new mortgage crisis under Labour, data suggests.

Some 40pc of first-time buyers took out mortgages between 90 and 95pc loan-to-value in July, according to analysis by UK Finance.
The number peaked at 41pc in April, after the Chancellor opted to end the stamp duty holiday.

It marks a worrying return to the levels seen in the run-up to the global financial crisis and means 34,992 people are being left “with very little equity buffer”, experts have warned.

Two years earlier, under the previous government, 33pc of first-time buyers were taking out these mortgages.

Go on, Reeves - do it - impose CGT on main residences!

Nolletimiere · 17/10/2025 12:04

MO0N · 17/10/2025 11:51

Surely owning a property in London counts as owning an investment?
Essentially you are complaining that a property which you purchased has vastly increased in value and that makes you wealthy.
To put it another way you are complaining that you got lucky and had a large windfall.

You do understand that investments come with risk, don’t you?

And that there is a cost of carry.

Tell me you understand this.

Nolletimiere · 17/10/2025 12:03

MO0N · 17/10/2025 11:30

Penalised punitively?
Could one be subject to a penalty that is not punitive?
I'd rather think that would be oxymoronic!

Care to comment on the contents of my post?

slightlyunimpressed · 17/10/2025 11:58

MO0N · 17/10/2025 11:51

Surely owning a property in London counts as owning an investment?
Essentially you are complaining that a property which you purchased has vastly increased in value and that makes you wealthy.
To put it another way you are complaining that you got lucky and had a large windfall.

Do you own your house? Does that count as an investment because it isn't in London? Why should London or not dictate whether something is an investment. If a home is to be treated as an investment for tax purposes, this will apply to everybody. It may start above a certain value, but will apply across the board PDQ.

Bruisername · 17/10/2025 11:53

If you live in the property how is it an investment? Capital growth is meaningless until you sell or die!

MO0N · 17/10/2025 11:51

Newmeagain · 17/10/2025 11:41

i have posted about this before but it is seriously worrying to me. I am in my 50s and am not at all wealthy - live a very ordinary life in London - no car, no investments. For the first time in decades I am earning a decent salary and already pay huge amounts of tax. It would seriously piss me off if I suddenly had to pay a “wealth” tax just because I have put all my life’s earnings into a very small house. I don’t even have much of a pension pot!

Surely owning a property in London counts as owning an investment?
Essentially you are complaining that a property which you purchased has vastly increased in value and that makes you wealthy.
To put it another way you are complaining that you got lucky and had a large windfall.

Newmeagain · 17/10/2025 11:41

i have posted about this before but it is seriously worrying to me. I am in my 50s and am not at all wealthy - live a very ordinary life in London - no car, no investments. For the first time in decades I am earning a decent salary and already pay huge amounts of tax. It would seriously piss me off if I suddenly had to pay a “wealth” tax just because I have put all my life’s earnings into a very small house. I don’t even have much of a pension pot!

CautiousLurker01 · 17/10/2025 11:39

EasternStandard · 17/10/2025 11:33

No that’s a tax on working people, and income tax which they said they wouldn’t touch.

Maybe a couple of US regional banks causing a lower borrowing cost will help out.

Edited

No it’s a tax on the people Labour think can afford it - higher rate tax payers. You KNOW labour don’t consider those to be ‘working people’ - nor do half of MN, apparently, as they think anyone earning over 100k is a grifting charlatan (see other recent threads).

EasternStandard · 17/10/2025 11:33

CautiousLurker01 · 17/10/2025 11:26

Just read in The Times that she expressly ruled out a property based wealth tax at the IMF in Washington, though, so I think everyone here is panicking needlessly. I think she’ll raise tax on the higher rate tax band, currently 45%, but may go up to 47% - maybe going higher still to a straight 50%. People who are tied to the UK will have to suck it up, but a percentage who are not will leave. Some corporations may have to mitigate it with payrises next year to soften the impact and keep employees, so Labour will lose their support too (if they still have it after the NI fiasco).

I do think this may be her last budget. I think she will be gone in due course, in part as a last ditch effort by Starmer to save his position. Not sure that will work, though. I doubt he’ll be standing at the PM at the next GE. I’d be surprised if Labour stay in for the full 5years as at some point Starmer will try to save his skin by timing a GE when he has an uptick in approval or when he knows (I think like Sunak knew) that things were/are only going to get worse before the GE so best bail sooner rather than later and let Reform/Tories deal with the mess.

No that’s a tax on working people, and income tax which they said they wouldn’t touch.

Maybe a couple of US regional banks causing a lower borrowing cost will help out.

LaChouette · 17/10/2025 11:31

JustTryingToBeMe · 17/10/2025 10:21

What worries me is the talk about taxing pension pots. Public servants have protected pensions which are good value and protected but the rest of us are not going to be so lucky from what I’ve read with talk of taxing the 25% and cutting allowances; it’s all very scary.

I am hoping that if this does come in, there will be enough time delay for me to be able to retire before it comes in (any time after 2027 will do, but wasn't planning to retire until 2028/9). Because of the amount of tax I pay, the government will lose more from me individually every year earlier that I retire than they will gain from reducing my tax free lump sum.

Bruisername · 17/10/2025 11:30

Raising the highest rate of tax won’t raise much and it will make the cliff edge even worse

MO0N · 17/10/2025 11:30

Nolletimiere · 17/10/2025 08:11

What about people who ‘hoard’ their talent, their risk appetite, their entrepreneurial nature, their willingness to study hard, to work long hours, to sacrifice their personal lives for their chosen profession?

Should they be penalised, punitively?

Penalised punitively?
Could one be subject to a penalty that is not punitive?
I'd rather think that would be oxymoronic!

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 17/10/2025 11:29

EasternStandard · 17/10/2025 11:25

Really? If that’s not just a rumour they are mad.

I'm praying it's a rumour.