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“Tax the wealthy” (RR budget) what does this even mean?

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gggddjkki · 16/10/2025 08:32

I don’t remember anxiously waiting for budgets like we have the last few years earlier on in my adulthood. But when you read statements like this (as I have seen in the headlines today) what do you interpret it to mean? What does taxing the wealthy look like to you? Taxing higher earners more? From what point? Higher taxes on industry?

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Leavesfalling · 18/10/2025 09:57

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:56

Which line? The one that holds that supporting racists = racism. This thread might not support ‘that line’ but history does, I wonder how it will be looked at in 50 years?

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Supporting anti semites = anti semetic. Which means anyone on the pro Gaza marches.

PeonyPatch · 18/10/2025 09:56

OnlyOnAFriday · 18/10/2025 09:42

They absolutely need to slash the welfare spending. But they seem too scared to do this. Weed out the shirkers from the genuine claimants.

I am in support of this too! I work full time with health conditions so why can’t others?!

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:56

EasternStandard · 18/10/2025 09:50

Looks like that line isn’t working anymore anyway.

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Which line? The one that holds that supporting racists = racism. This thread might not support ‘that line’ but history does, I wonder how it will be looked at in 50 years?

Leavesfalling · 18/10/2025 09:56

PeonyPatch · 18/10/2025 09:55

I’m not voting for them so don’t worry, but tarring them all with the same brush is wrong and wouldn’t make someone racist. I think you are suggesting covert or even unconscious racism but we cannot prove that. I think a lot of supporters of reform are misguided and disenfranchised, fed up of the way things are and want a change. Similar to Trump supporters.

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Same as Labour voters too. If there are any.

PeonyPatch · 18/10/2025 09:55

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:41

You are welcome to your view but if you support racists, who promulgate racist views then in my opinion you are a racist. You can’t ignore the dog whistle rhetoric, the marginalisation of entire groups, the smears and the hate - you vote Reform you are voting for a party led by a tin-pot tyrant who has openly, and consistently expressed racist views. How can that not make you a racist or an apologist for racism (which to my mind = a racist who is too scared to own their racism)?

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I’m not voting for them so don’t worry, but tarring them all with the same brush is wrong and wouldn’t make someone racist. I think you are suggesting covert or even unconscious racism but we cannot prove that. I think a lot of supporters of reform are misguided and disenfranchised, fed up of the way things are and want a change. Similar to Trump supporters.

Leavesfalling · 18/10/2025 09:54

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:51

I am only speaking for myself - sorry that you failed to understand that.

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You can only speak for what is in your own heart unfortunately. You don't know anyone else's. So only you know if you are racist. Are you?

I'm assuming you logically also agree that anyone who is on one of those Gaza hate marches is an anti semite. If we are going down the road of tarring everyone with the same brush.

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:51

Leavesfalling · 18/10/2025 09:50

You can only speak for yourself in this life I'm afraid. Much as you try to speak for everyone else.

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I am only speaking for myself - sorry that you failed to understand that.

EasternStandard · 18/10/2025 09:50

Nolletimiere · 18/10/2025 09:38

@Enterthewolves doesnt agree with you.

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Looks like that line isn’t working anymore anyway.

Leavesfalling · 18/10/2025 09:50

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:31

Not really - if you vote for a fundamentally racist party you are surely in favour of their policies - you are either a racist or a racist sympathiser.

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You can only speak for yourself in this life I'm afraid. Much as you try to speak for everyone else.

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:45

I love that calling people who vote for a racist party with racist policies racist gets deleted. How about water is wet? The pope is a Catholic? Bears shit in the woods?

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:43

Nolletimiere · 18/10/2025 09:38

@Enterthewolves doesnt agree with you.

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No I don’t and neither does Hope Against Hate

OnlyOnAFriday · 18/10/2025 09:42

They absolutely need to slash the welfare spending. But they seem too scared to do this. Weed out the shirkers from the genuine claimants.

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:41

PeonyPatch · 18/10/2025 09:37

Yeah, I don’t agree that anyone in support of Reform is a racist — that’s a MASSIVE generalisation.

Some? Sure. The majority? Maybe. All of them? No.

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You are welcome to your view but if you support racists, who promulgate racist views then in my opinion you are a racist. You can’t ignore the dog whistle rhetoric, the marginalisation of entire groups, the smears and the hate - you vote Reform you are voting for a party led by a tin-pot tyrant who has openly, and consistently expressed racist views. How can that not make you a racist or an apologist for racism (which to my mind = a racist who is too scared to own their racism)?

OnlyOnAFriday · 18/10/2025 09:40

I did read that extra taxes or whatever are going to be focused on savings rather than income. Apparently she’s said a high income doesn’t mean wealth.

so am a bit worried that someone who earns 50k and lives frugally and saves will be hammered while someone earning 200k and splashing out on cars and holidays will be fine.

Nolletimiere · 18/10/2025 09:38

PeonyPatch · 18/10/2025 09:37

Yeah, I don’t agree that anyone in support of Reform is a racist — that’s a MASSIVE generalisation.

Some? Sure. The majority? Maybe. All of them? No.

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@Enterthewolves doesnt agree with you.

PeonyPatch · 18/10/2025 09:37

Nolletimiere · 18/10/2025 09:36

Congrats.

You just labelled millions of people.

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Yeah, I don’t agree that anyone in support of Reform is a racist — that’s a MASSIVE generalisation.

Some? Sure. The majority? Maybe. All of them? No.

Nolletimiere · 18/10/2025 09:37

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:35

Because anyone who doesn’t agree with the viewpoint that rich people are being hard done by is pathological?

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Re-read my post.

Nolletimiere · 18/10/2025 09:36

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:31

Not really - if you vote for a fundamentally racist party you are surely in favour of their policies - you are either a racist or a racist sympathiser.

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Congrats.

You just labelled millions of people.

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:35

PeonyPatch · 18/10/2025 09:34

Why does

I was upset because of a personal issue’

make her pathological?

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Because anyone who doesn’t agree with the viewpoint that rich people are being hard done by is pathological?

Nolletimiere · 18/10/2025 09:35

PeonyPatch · 18/10/2025 09:34

Why does

I was upset because of a personal issue’

make her pathological?

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Because she inferred it was a domestic issue - it wasn’t - it was political.

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:35

EasternStandard · 18/10/2025 09:33

A yes then. There’s not many left supporting those lies, it’s a decreasing group every week.

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Supporting the IFS view that there was undeclared spending?

PeonyPatch · 18/10/2025 09:34

Nolletimiere · 18/10/2025 09:33

Her definitions are elastic, as is her relationship with the truth and reality.

’Working people’
’These tax increases are a one-off’
’I was upset because of a personal issue’
’I was a senior economist at the BOE’
’Every single penny” of the £1.5billion generated by slapping VAT on private school fees would go towards state education’

Reeves is pathological.

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Why does

I was upset because of a personal issue’

make her pathological?

EasternStandard · 18/10/2025 09:33

Enterthewolves · 18/10/2025 09:29

See previous answer

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A yes then. There’s not many left supporting those lies, it’s a decreasing group every week.

Nolletimiere · 18/10/2025 09:33

OSTMusTisNT · 18/10/2025 09:29

I suspect wealthy to RR is anyone earning a full-time minimum wage and above.

Maybe pensioners as well, with them traditionally more likely to vote Tory RR won't care about them.

I doubt wealthy means millionaires.

Her definitions are elastic, as is her relationship with the truth and reality.

’Working people’
’These tax increases are a one-off’
’I was upset because of a personal issue’
’I was a senior economist at the BOE’
’Every single penny” of the £1.5billion generated by slapping VAT on private school fees would go towards state education’

Reeves is pathological.

PeonyPatch · 18/10/2025 09:33

I think wealth means assets not related to income!