“Tax the wealthy” (RR budget) what does this even mean?

Sensible

As things currently stand, I will vote for reform at the next GE.

What does that make me?

Targeting reform (or afd in Germany) voters as racist is precisely what led to the rise of these parties

remember Gordon brown calling that woman a bigot? It was the start of a trend to try and get people with genuine concerns to shut up by telling them they were morally wrong. Rather than address the issues. So people are voting for these parties to send a message

farage is a grifter and I doubt most people will actually vote reform at the next election but I imagine a lot are saying they will to try and get the mainstream politicians to listen to their concerns

Figures please for the existing liability and projected future liability for the next 20 years.

Luckily they are underwritten by the taxpayer. Unlike private sector pensions.

Well you are going to have to sit in your room for a few years as looking at the polls an awful lot of people you associate with will vote Reform. Obviously they may tell you otherwise but luckily voting doesn't require you to check their ballot paper.

Very few public sector pensions are final salary any more. They changed to career average some time ago.

Please can you provide some figures as I wasn't aware this was the case.

I assume you are also talking about new public sector pensions. The liability for the old ones cannot be changed as they are a contractual obligation.

No they are not by definition that.

Actually lots of private companies have DB pensions and public sector pensions are no longer final salary - costs will gradually come down.

That people who vote for Reform are, by definition, racist? I stand by that. We need to be careful who we associate with or we are lost.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/18/crooked-cross-hitler-1933-novel-sally-carson?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Agreeed 👏🏼

Yes, it was rhetorical

You can, currently.

But retaining UK exposure when you leave, means you retain risk however.

Oh, and you can't leave the country, because you may get hit with an exit tax. Insidious.

Your logic is inescapable.

If the Tories were so terrible - particularly as is the charge - during Brexit and the Pandemic, why were Labour unable to win a GE?

The answer is fairly obvious - its because Labour were simply unelectable. They were not serious opposition, with Corbyn often fighting a rearguard action over anti-Semitism etc.

Buyer’s remorse is real amongst many who voted for Labour last summer - that’s patently clear.

Makes me laugh that out of all those sentences, that’s the only one you can reasonably say may be faintly accurate.

The rest are clearly untrue.

Thats what I’m thinking. I’d rather fuck off on a round the world cruise than have it eroded away by the government.

I noticed that, too.

Blanket labelling people racists is reductive, and highly disrespectful to both the recipient, and to minorities.

It diminishes the argument, and real racism.

It’s shameful, and I expect the PP will now refrain from such inappropriate use of the word.

Not sure if it’s a rhetorical question you’re asking there, but the answer is 5 years in coalition followed by 9 years as a majority government.

To all those who quote the 14 years of Tory mismanagement, I would remind them that we were not in a dictatorship. The Tories won several elections in that timeframe.

Why were Labour not able to win an election if the Tory mismanagement was so terrible and apparent to the electorate?

Pretty much everything is taxed already, income, interest from savings, which depending how much you have might be called wealth! Businesses have been hit hard by recent tax rises, capital gains tax on selling assets, inheritance tax. Not to mention things like road tax, council tax, etc.

If you tax the better off more they will spend less which then affects businesses, if you tax businesses more that will raise prices which affects everyone eventually. If they tax houses it will screw with the property market, put people into negative equity and have all sorts of unexpected consequences. How many people could find the cash to give the government say 10% of the value of their home, even 1% would be a struggle for many people.

Cutting spending should be the objective, catch the tax dodgers big and small, catch the benefit cheats, catch the people working in the black economy. All these people are stealing from all of us that pay our taxes, they are not victimless crimes. So often on here these sort of crimes are dismissed as no ones business and you should just let people get on with it and don't report it.

The one you used which got deleted.

https://apple.news/A9SD8xo-EQISVl4vjas1e5g

If they’re going to start taxing wealth it will affect all those who have saved carefully for retirement-who have ISAs and savings accounts as well as a pension.
Soon it will make more sense to blow it all then call upon the state to look after us.

Can we get back to the topic at hand?