Nobel peace prize announcement speech.

It's amazing how little some people understand about Palestine. Hamas won an election but an internal conflict broke out between Fatah and Hamas....since then the people have had little say In what happens.

You have to understand that the people of Palestine are hostages in their own country. Israel's right wing government has done a lot to destabilise the country because it wants the strip for itself funding and arming militias.

Im not saying Israel is wrong to target Hamas, but if you look at the war effort there's a lot more going off than targeting Hamas. They have displaced the entire population and killed many many innocent people.

The days of carpet bombing populated urban areas of over as an acceptable consequence of war. If they wanted Hamas they should have sent ground offensive and dealt with the casualties. Instead they went for the easy option of flattering an entire city.

A small proportion of the current population of Gaza voted for Hamas 20 years ago and you think that justifies genocide?

Most of the current (massively depleted) population weren't even alive or of voting age back then.

Half the seats in Gaza weren't won by Hamas. Seats in the Christian areas of Palestine went to Hamas as a protest vote against Fatah. It's worth looking at the facts if the 2006 vote if you're going to use it to justify genocide against people who were too young to vote.

Palestinians deserve peace, they are victims of apartheid. The terrorist you talk about were not elected.

I don't like the word terrorist because these days it's used flippantly. In Antrim we often heard about Gerry Adams in the British media referred to as a terrorist. His voice could not be broad casted in TV. Years later he's a political figure that brought peace to communities North of the border.

In order for peace there has to be reconciliation and. Stop to violence.

Look at the mean age of Palestinians, large part of the population are children. Israel has been collectively murdering children in response to a terrorist act.

If you can't see what's wrong with killing children then theres no hope for you.

As I was saying people are so quick to say such silly things but if it was their children being bombarded day and night then they would be screaming about how barbaric it is.

British people have become detached from what war means, the reason I think is because many of our veterans from the second world war are gone.....with it their wisdom.

The war was not holding a population to account for an election. It was holding the government to account for an act of war. Hamas as the government is responsible for the act of war and not adequately protecting its population.

What is your source for over 10% killed? The Official (Hamas) death toll is 68, 172 which is just over 3% of the pre 7 October population of 2.1 million. We don't know how many of those are Hamas fighters as ways of estimating that vary rather wildly but we know its a significant proportion. That is not a population 'massively' depleted.

Denmark will be fine, Greenland might be tempted. Canada's divided like many other countries.

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Thank you for querying that 10% figure @SharonEllis. I’ve never heard of it either. Even the terrorists Hamas don’t cite that number and goodness knows they like to exaggerate the death toll.

I'm not discussing with you any more @SharonEllis you argue with something, get proved wrong and then pretend that wasn't the point you were making and try again.

My post was far more about the madness of holding the current population to account for an election held before most of them were voting age, and when most of Gaza didn't vote for Hamas. Nothing to say on that?
I'm adding a little screenshot of what depleted means to help you. At least 10 percent of their population has been killed.

Ah the old justifying genocide personal attack. She was doing no such thing. There is plenty of evidence that a good proportion of the population have supported Hamas in that time. Obviously in a dictatorship with no elections its not easy to tell for sure. Which is why anyone who cares about Palestinians actually want to free them from Hamas rather than indulge in apologism for Hamas.

As for the population being 'massively depleted' Its obvious that you actually have idea how many people have been killed as the population has not been massively depleted, tragic as the loss of life in the war has been.

A small proportion of the current population of Gaza voted for Hamas 20 years ago and you think that justifies genocide?

Most of the current (massively depleted) population weren't even alive or of voting age back then.

Half the seats in Gaza weren't won by Hamas. Seats in the Christian areas of Palestine went to Hamas as a protest vote against Fatah. It's worth looking at the facts if the 2006 vote if you're going to use it to justify genocide against people who were too young to vote.

Actually, when the people needing help in Gaza are people who elected terrorists to govern them and approve of all the attacks on Israel, I think of Afghanistan being more worthy of sympathy.
Yes, they did elect Hamas. They voted Hamas into power in 2006.

Palestinians deserve peace, they are victims of apartheid. The terrorist you talk about were not elected.

I don't like the word terrorist because these days it's used flippantly. In Antrim we often heard about Gerry Adams in the British media referred to as a terrorist. His voice could not be broad casted in TV. Years later he's a political figure that brought peace to communities North of the border.

In order for peace there has to be reconciliation and. Stop to violence.

Surely the question should be why don't Afghanistan and N Korea get more attention rather than trying to reduce the attention the Palestinians have got?

I'm glad it's on the world news. I'm glad we could all see the poor Palestinians returning home to nothing but rubble. The world should see this. We don't want genocide and attempts to wipe out a chunk of civilisation to go unmarked.

As for your comment about Palestinians electing Hamas you must know that doesn't hold water.

That's just dribble, I'm more worried about the yanks...... Canada and Denmark being Trumps next target.

'The West' needs to have (a strong) America onside for that to be true. Also needs it's own people to stop being 'anti'west' (suicidal empathists that they are).

China, North Korea, Russia and Iran are courting India, Middle Eastern powers, African nations and a couple of South American countries.
Countries that neighbour Russia and Iran are increasingly uneasy. Russia, China and Iran have expansionist tendencies, Russia seem to prefer somewhat undiplomatic methods (North Korea has already sent many people as cannon fodder to Ukraine), Iran prefers proxy islamists.
I see China and India as a a bit more clever. In a global marketplace they might already have 'the west' by the short and curlies. Their methods of taking over involve less bloodshed...initially.

I think some people just want never ending war, that's until it affects them. The world is full of cheer leaders but when it comes knocking the reality bites.

The British have been very lucky since the second world war. Avoided war on your doorstep but those in the military have seen the Falklands, Bosnia, Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan.

The west is lucky in that out military capability far exceeds those that pose a threat. But conflicts abroad bring risks to us.....

Gerry Adams was always a politician....it's the British media that called him that....In Ireland we view things very differently as we do Palestine.

The IRA committed terrorist acts but remember why this all happened....take note of the events. Nothing can justify killing but in order to stop killing you have to meet a half way house. You have to forgive and you have to make peace with your own anger because if you don't you'll never have any control. It's to easy to get stuck into the mindset of all our victory when the cost of it is so dire.

It's called diplomacy and that means first of all stopping killing people. Peace first, discussion on how to resolve the issue, can we get to the point of unilateral disarmament in the interest of Palestinians