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What can an individual do to keep Reform out?

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Thepoliticsofchaos · 09/10/2025 22:45

I have a young friend (a university student) who is getting depressed about the prospect of Reform getting in next election. He thinks that the UK is fucked, basically. He's left-leaning, I assume a Labour voter. I've advised him to get politically engaged (so that in the future he'll at least be able to feel that he did what he could). He's not the most outgoing of people, though is interested in politics. Can anyone suggest how he could become usefully politically engaged to try to reduce the Reform vote? Not just joining a party and turning up to meetings, but actually doing something?

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PandoraSocks · 11/10/2025 16:12

Re: by-elections. All the recent by-elections bar one, which Reform won by the skin of its teeth, have been council by-elections which are by their nature a very different beast to Westminster elections.

There was the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election, which was a Labour gain for the Scottish Parliament. Reform came third.

Another test will be the Senedd election in Caerphilly. Still not a Westminster election, but a better weather-vane than council by-elections IMHO.

Yes, I know the usual lot will say I'm deluded etc., but the thought of a Farage government scares me. It could break up some of my friends and family who are married to people with ILTR.

PandoraSocks · 11/10/2025 15:57

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 11:13

Based on Labour's approval ratings, polling figures and bi-election results it's clear that the majority are voting against Labour.

Polls are a snapshot in time. Even the pollsters make that clear. Read the caveats. Voting patterns, how votes are distributed and who stands or doesn't stand where will have an impact.

I agree also with @BIossomtoes , there will be a massive tactical voting campaign against Reform and similarly I would vote Tory (🤮) to keep Farage put of no.10. I think we will possibly have a hung Parliament in 2029. Unless Labour can get its act together and win back voters.

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 14:23

RedRiverShore5 · 11/10/2025 13:14

Certainly will, get Labour out

And just as much to keep Reform out. Christ I’d even hold my nose and vote Tory if that was what it took.

RedRiverShore5 · 11/10/2025 13:14

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 11:15

Now. As I keep reminding you, almost four years is a very long time in politics. There will be tactical voting on steroids in 2029.

Certainly will, get Labour out

AutumnFoxe · 11/10/2025 12:34

He should probably learn what democracy is and not get depressed because he cant get his own way because his opinion isnt the only one that matters.

Leavesfalling · 11/10/2025 12:29

Timeforabitofpeace · 11/10/2025 11:40

@Leavesfalling repent at leisure!

So say everyone who voted Labour apart from a few hardliners! 😆

EasternStandard · 11/10/2025 11:51

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 11:20

You used present tense "The majority of people are doing no such thing". You're blatantly wrong as all the metrics I mentioned above shows. At the moment, the majority of people are voting against Labour. I realise you find this hard to get your head around though.

I'm not an imbecile so I'm fully aware of when the next election is but the acclaimed conference speech did nothing to improve ratings and Digital ID is being opposed by the majority. If they keep going down that road then they won't win any supporters back.

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Probably not.

EasternStandard · 11/10/2025 11:50

Timeforabitofpeace · 11/10/2025 11:20

Everyone writing about Reform say that it’s for a friend 😂 I’m not disbelieving you, but it is funny.

The op used it for the friend in her op and Labour.

BlissfullyBlue · 11/10/2025 11:49

Encourage centre and left wing parties to address the concerns of a huge part of the population, rather than calling them racist and transphobic. You’re never going to get in if you demonise and alienate the majority. Just maths.

Leavesfalling · 11/10/2025 11:41

QuantumLeek · 11/10/2025 11:37

Work out which party is the biggest threat to Reform in his constituency and volunteer for them- door knocks, leafleting etc. Reform’s weakness is that they don’t have the established local networks that the more established parties have and that can make a big difference.

That's rather a sad start for a young boy though? What does he actually believe in positively? What if the party that is the biggest threat to Reform is the Conservatives I thought he was left wing.

Not a great believer in tactical voting, personally. Even if it would keep Labour out.

Timeforabitofpeace · 11/10/2025 11:40

@Leavesfalling repent at leisure!

QuantumLeek · 11/10/2025 11:37

Work out which party is the biggest threat to Reform in his constituency and volunteer for them- door knocks, leafleting etc. Reform’s weakness is that they don’t have the established local networks that the more established parties have and that can make a big difference.

Leavesfalling · 11/10/2025 11:35

ILikeDinosaurs · 11/10/2025 05:27

You just don't have an answer to my points, that's all.

They aren't really points.

Leavesfalling · 11/10/2025 11:34

Timeforabitofpeace · 11/10/2025 11:20

Everyone writing about Reform say that it’s for a friend 😂 I’m not disbelieving you, but it is funny.

I don't think people are embarrassed about intending to vote for Reform these days? The polls show they are in very good company.

It might be more that many people don't trust people on the left to restrain themselves and not blurt out the usual Tourettes (apologies, John) vomit of "reform racist nazi far right". Far easier to just smile along and pretend they agree. And then vote against everything the left stands for in the privacy of the voting booth.

Timeforabitofpeace · 11/10/2025 11:20

Everyone writing about Reform say that it’s for a friend 😂 I’m not disbelieving you, but it is funny.

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 11:20

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 11:15

Now. As I keep reminding you, almost four years is a very long time in politics. There will be tactical voting on steroids in 2029.

You used present tense "The majority of people are doing no such thing". You're blatantly wrong as all the metrics I mentioned above shows. At the moment, the majority of people are voting against Labour. I realise you find this hard to get your head around though.

I'm not an imbecile so I'm fully aware of when the next election is but the acclaimed conference speech did nothing to improve ratings and Digital ID is being opposed by the majority. If they keep going down that road then they won't win any supporters back.

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 11:15

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 11:13

Based on Labour's approval ratings, polling figures and bi-election results it's clear that the majority are voting against Labour.

Now. As I keep reminding you, almost four years is a very long time in politics. There will be tactical voting on steroids in 2029.

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 11:13

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 11:10

The majority of people are doing no such thing. For every one of those there’s another who will vote for whichever candidate has the best chance of beating Reform.

Based on Labour's approval ratings, polling figures and bi-election results it's clear that the majority are voting against Labour.

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 11:10

SarahB125 · 11/10/2025 10:44

I think he probably needs a reality check and understand that the majority of people are thinking what can they do to ensue they never have another Labour government ever again in their lifetime.

The majority of people are doing no such thing. For every one of those there’s another who will vote for whichever candidate has the best chance of beating Reform.

MaloryJones · 11/10/2025 11:04

PreciousTatas · 11/10/2025 06:45

Perhaps you could tell him that by being hyperbolic about Reform he may in fact be making things worse.

Very much like the boy who cried wolf, Reform have been called 'far right' and 'fascist' so much that when the big bad does inevitably come along people will be completely desensitised.

I am no fan of Reform (immigrant) but i am also not stupid. I can see exactly why they are getting in. It is not far right to have an immigration system and borders that actually work, pretending that it is is going to cost the UK dearly.

When you call people something for long enough, for perfectly central and reasonable views, they will eventually shrug their shoulders and assume those words mean nothing. Then when we cry those words out as a warning when it is real, no one will listen.

He could help by turning the heat down in politics and campaigning for the current government, who could actually do something about it, to do so.

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👏👏

SarahB125 · 11/10/2025 10:44

I think he probably needs a reality check and understand that the majority of people are thinking what can they do to ensue they never have another Labour government ever again in their lifetime.

charliehungerford · 11/10/2025 10:29

LeavesRising · 10/10/2025 15:15

In what sense are the Greens "profoundly anti-science" (your claim, my emphasis). Which science, specifically, do you genuinely think the party is against?

I did hear a brief clip earlier where their leader, when asked if people are generally born male or female, he said no and that it’s more complicated than that. He also clearly stated that of course a woman can have a penis, doesn’t sound like science to me !

OneAmberFinch · 11/10/2025 10:20

PreciousTatas · 11/10/2025 06:45

Perhaps you could tell him that by being hyperbolic about Reform he may in fact be making things worse.

Very much like the boy who cried wolf, Reform have been called 'far right' and 'fascist' so much that when the big bad does inevitably come along people will be completely desensitised.

I am no fan of Reform (immigrant) but i am also not stupid. I can see exactly why they are getting in. It is not far right to have an immigration system and borders that actually work, pretending that it is is going to cost the UK dearly.

When you call people something for long enough, for perfectly central and reasonable views, they will eventually shrug their shoulders and assume those words mean nothing. Then when we cry those words out as a warning when it is real, no one will listen.

He could help by turning the heat down in politics and campaigning for the current government, who could actually do something about it, to do so.

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100%, am also an immigrant, centre-right politically. I know so many people who just outright celebrate being called fascist because it's almost the sign of being a free thinker or something, similar to bonding over being cancelled. They have milquetoast views like "borders should exist" but the more that gets grouped with true fascism, the more people will shrug and go along with it.

As a legal taxpaying immigrant I want people to have high trust in the immigration system and to have confidence that the people who come here are contributing and are safe.

Reform are currently quite poorly organised and lacking key talent necessary to run an actual government. If the electorate saw concrete results (not promises) from the current government this would significantly dilute the threat.

InMySpareTime · 11/10/2025 08:45

He should do what he can to make where he is a bit nicer. Pick up a bit of litter when he’s out, volunteer to help people improve their conversational English, help out at the foodbank or homeless shelter.
Extreme ideologies thrive when people feel dissatisfied and disconnected.
Making all kinds of people feel welcomed, included, and part of a community reduces xenophobia and bigotry because it’s hard to hate someone once you acknowledge that they are a human being.
I’ve had some success drawing a few people back to the centre ground, not by cleverly demolishing their fact-free rhetoric, but by sitting with them, listening to them, then gently encouraging them to think what they would do if they were in the position of whoever they’re currently demonising.
It takes a lot of patience and tenacity, but is much more successful than shouting them down.

TeenagersAngst · 11/10/2025 07:24

Dolphinnoises · 10/10/2025 22:33

It was already destroyed. They’ve been in power for a year. The sums do not add up, and the fundamentals are almost impossible. Brexit didn’t help. Covid didn’t help. Putin, Trump, Truss, the financial crisis - it’s been one body blow after another. In getting into government, Labour have done the equivalent of buying a money pit. The Conservatives knew they were going to lose the election, so kept running the spending into the ground. The decisions taken by Hunt just before the election were very political.

Which is not to say the national insurance / farm thing wasn’t a dreadful own goal. But they are trying to free up money which isn’t there to free up. Unless there is growth, which is stubbornly sluggish.

I actually think Jeremy Hunt and Sunak were slowly turning things around.

Reeves has made things infinitely worse, that’s not just my opinion. She’s out of her depth, a Chancellor in a party with a tax and spend ideology who told the electorate she wouldn’t raise any of the taxes which would allow her to spend. She has boxed herself into a corner unnecessarily. The economy is flatlining now because of choices Labour has made.

Starmer made the mistake of thinking growth in the economy would come from two things: the Labour Party simply just being in power and saying the word growth repeatedly during the election campaign.

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