New election poll shows a very divided country!

Can you explain why you think anyone could fix the shit show of 14 years of the Torys in the space of 12 months?

Anyone who thinks Reforn will get in and “solve” all the issues asap are falling yet again for Farrages lies. What did Farrages last project- Brexit solve? Absolutely NOTHING.

It will take time and hard work to get this country back on its feet, and “migrants” are NOT the reason we are in this mess!

If we could actually see attempts to fix things, it would be good. Already the excuses are being trotted out. They need more than one term in government apparently to correct 14 years of Tory rule. People want to see some progress, or a start. But there’s nothing. Same shit, different leaders. It’s elementary stuff that even posters on these threads have suggested for example the NHS. Top heavy management. Poor money management. So much waste. Red tape. All they do is fudge the figures to make it look like there’s some improvement, when all they’ve done is change the format of the number crunching.

A lot of the electorate need to grow up & wise up. Stop the petty tribal politics & acknowledge this is a much bigger issue.

Unfortunately I just don't think the majority want to listen to reality.

Quite

why do you feel that way?

I don’t think it’s necessarily about just fixing stuff. It’s about their conduct in the one year they’ve been in power. Rayner, Mandelson. And of course they can absolutely implement fixes quickly. Look at how fast decisions were made on the winter fuel payments, or decisions about welfare reforms (which couldn’t progress because his party voted against it). Or a one in one out immigration policy (again something which is going to have little impact)) It really doesn’t have to take years to fix something that’s wrong, or at least to start beginning to fix something.

Labour have made some mistakes in office, undoubtedly, but it is absurd that you ever expected them to "fix" the deep-rooted problems created by 14 years of Tory mismanagement - which you helped to perpetuate - after little more than a year in power.

Unbelievable.

Yes, I agree with you. I think they’ll come after disabled people as well… of course who they should be targeting is large corporations dodging tax! And also self employed people who avoid tax too.

There seems to be a fair few thinking the same as you

But I didn't vote for labour thinking they could reverse years of low growth in 2 years. I'm not sure that it is even possible at all because of the changing demographics.

Labour were going to fix things. They promised us they would. So I foolishly believed them. Many of us fell for it, and here we are…

I did vote labour, I hoped they could start some changes, however I do think they have tried but the revolt over the winter fuel & benefits makes it very difficult.

Voters don't want immigration, they don't want higher taxes, they don't want failing public services. It doesn't leave any government much room hence why I said we need cross party solutions.

I will vote reform because I think they are the only party that will stop mass immigration

And Reform are deliberately mixing all types of immigration. @yellowspanner which immigration do you have an issue with?

Interesting that a Reform council are asking the gov to reconsider plans to end h&s care visas for overseas workers.

You could argue many of us were manipulated and exploited by the Labour government. Me being one of them. I had voted Tory at the last two elections. Labour were going to fix things. They promised us they would. So I foolishly believed them. Many of us fell for it, and here we are…

That's kind of what I was thinking when I said that disabled people might be targeted. But of course, benefits more generally as well.

I would say that people on benefits will come into the firing line. Unemployed working age.

100%.

I also find it baffling how quickly people are judging Labour as well… after one year… you really can’t sort a country out in such a small amount of time. It’s like running a business, you need time for long term growth.

People have short memories.

Brexit has been a disaster for this country in many ways, but we don't really see those who voted for it taking any responsibility for the mess that they created. They have just moved on to blaming their problems on immigrants instead.

If Farage is elected and manages to bring immigration down (and I don't think he will find it as easy as he thinks it will be, but who knows what extreme measures he may adopt to get it done), then there will need to be a new target for people to blame for the fact that their lives are shit - particularly as their lives will be shitter than ever by that point. They will not take any responsibility for how they voted, most of them probably won't make the link.

I would guess that the disabled may well come into the firing line next. Or maybe women. Perhaps both.

@GimmieABreakOr3 Absolutely, we need cross party solutions, long term thinking and it will take years. It's been nearly 20 years of low growth. I think a lot of voters want short term fixes though.

How do Reform plan on dealing with immigration?

But if a majority vote Reform, then they're not all 'idiots'. Surely it's just proving that the ones voting elsewhere are probably missing something.

Yes, that's it. The people not voting for Reforn are the dumb ones 😆

Farage didn't implement Brexit as he wasn't in power - Boris was and he opened up the door to unfettered immigration from non-eu countries.

I was referring to the 350m for the NHS. Are you saying if Farage was in power this would have happened after Brexit?

You're right, the people who vote Reform aren't all idiots. Some of them understand exactly what they're doing, and they are much worse than the idiots.

The people who know what they're doing are deliberately manipulating and exploiting the idiots. The idiots are the ones that are allowing themselves to be manipulated and exploited. They may feel that things are bad right now under Labour, but they don't have any concept of how much worse things could get under Reform. It will be a shock for them if they actually get what they vote for, but it will be too late by the time they realise.

The majority of the electorate will not vote for Reform. None of the polls suggest that this is likely. However, because of our first past the post system, we could end up with a Reform majority in Parliament. This is a quirk of our system, but I think that the majority of voters in the UK remain horrified at the prospect of a Reform government.

Farage didn't implement Brexit as he wasn't in power - Boris was and he opened up the door to unfettered immigration from non-eu countries.

If they win, the blame will lie squarely with the people who chose to vote for a far right shit show.

Also, the anti-immigration rhetoric is so strong now that it’s appealing to the masses… and yet many people are forgetting that you need more than sorting out immigration to run a country. Reform are a shambles and too unestablished a party that I would worry they’d run the country further into the ground, oh but at least we’d get Little England back.