New election poll shows a very divided country!

I’m interested too. @clipboardzhow will they do you think?

Manifesto pledge tracker on Full Fact here.
https://fullfact.org/government-tracker/
I do think the government should have gone for short term wins as well as the long term, but goodness, there was so much to sort after the Tory chaos and corruption. But millionaire banker man isn't the answer to all the issues here!

@Labraradabrador I have already said my feelings on growth. Did you miss them? No one government can fix the economy, we need low term cross party solutions. It will take years

And what plans does Labour propose that we think have any chance of actually delivering growth?

I agree voters aren't happy because people can't acknowledge the issues or don't want to.

@clipboardz whether it is the precise outcome they had in mind, I cannot say, though polling seems to suggest that whatever they hoped for is not being delivered.

it is widely acknowledged the budget will be grim for just about everyone.

It absolutely will be but this is what happens with years of low growth. We are all going to get poorer and life will get more expensive, no government can change that.

Reform: we’ll start turning small boats around in two weeks.

But they won't, it's fantasy. I get that fantasy is attractive but are we just going to pretend it isn't a fantasy?

@Labraradabrador but that isn't all labours fault. We have been getting poorer for years, we just can't slash the interest rates to zero now to mask it.

You also claimed labour voters voted to make people poorer why do you think that?

I've realised copyright on that doc is 2024. So actually out of date and my apologies. So that would have been within the first 5 months of being in power. I will try to find a more updated one.

I meant the other political parties , as much as people. And it really would, I stand by this.

Labour: we’ll have digital ID cards.

So, if you’re wanting to employ someone casually, cash-in-hand, for - say, 3-4 months or even weeks, and you don’t want all the hassle of paperwork and employer’s National insurance contributions, etc.

And if you’re someone who doesn’t even want to pay tax, and wants to be paid cash in hand…. and doesn’t care about employment rights because you’ll take anything you can get… cleaning private houses, car valeting, delivering, etc etc

How are digital ID cards going to be effective in this situation? I don’t even understand.

Reform: we’ll start turning small boats around in two weeks.

if you’re British-born, disaffected and poor but working flat out, which policy will appeal the most?

Ouch, this is damning with faint praise.

i mean they have managed to generate a number of bullet points and fill the page, but most of these are about as substantial as the paper they are printed on.

ONS data showing slump in disposable income, for starters. it is widely acknowledged the budget will be grim for just about everyone.

It’s all talk though. Most of the things they say are not possible.

It's like talking to a brick wall though. It has to be true because I want it to be true.

@Labraradabrador how is everyone poorer because of labour and why do you think that's why people voted for labour?

It’s all talk though. Most of the things they say are not possible.

All the major parties tinker around the edges of mass immigration.

Putting aside illegal migration & the boats they do this because it's the only form of growth we have had and voters don't want higher taxes.

For info, what Labour have done so far.
https://whathaskeirdone.co.uk/results
Much is looking in the long term and after the total chaos and destruction in 14 years, that had to be done.
The Renters Rights Act becomes law next month.
That will make a huge difference to my life. The Tories sat on that for years.
All I can say re the single issue immigration Reform voters is to think a bit and question where your information comes from and think just why you're being fed that information. And, to just remember that Nigel Farage has been on Russian TV and really, really wants to ditch the NHS.

Oooh another one where we could replace Reform with Labour.

It would absolutely serve everyone right if Reform get in.

Why would you want everyone to get poorer including yourself to feel smug?

This really resonates. All the major parties tinker around the edges of mass immigration. How are digital ID cards going to curb it exactly? If you want to work cash in hand and can find someone who’s happy to skip all the hassle of formally employing someone legally, digi ID cards are no problem.

@MidnightMeltdownit’s a great point about Brexit. That was a disastrous result for most people. We can expect other disastrous outcomes (Reform’s economic / welfare / employment rights / NHS strategies) unless the major parties address the migration situation head on.

It would absolutely serve everyone right if Reform get in. Don’t ignore the people you’re representing.

Yep.

I feel like I am experiencing all of the above right now, but replace Reform with Labour.

Going on SM calling voters bigots and racists is not going to achieve anything

My post does not call anyone a bigot. It calls Farage's policies and the utter twaddle that he came out with earlier this week bigoted.

I didn't call wanting to stop the boats bigoted. Anyone in their right mind wants to see the boats stopped. I was just repeating exactly what Farage has said he will do. Which is basically so vague, it is worthless.

The retrospective rescinding of ILR would lead to some people having to leave the UK against their wishes.

Do you believe there is Sharia law in London and that "foreigners" are eating swans? Or is that just rhetoric designed to appeal to bigots?

So what is the solution then?