Reform plans to scrap indefinite leave to remain for migrants

He’s looking for cheap cheers from people who don’t actually know or care how immigration works in the U.K. They just want to be assured someone else is going to be punished for their entertainment.

This is so true. He is appealing to the crowd who don't have the faintest clue how the existing immigration rules work!

He is going to scoop up a lot of innocent, quietly productive and contributing people. And he has smeared them all as being scroungers - no matter how much tax and NI they’ve paid, no matter how little they’ve taken from the state, no matter what their personal connections to the U.K. There are people who have been on ILR for decades - and he’s going to deport them because…? What, they’ve used the NHS after they’ve paid a surcharge for it and then paid into it for years and years?

I don’t believe for a second he’s “only going after the Boris wave.” He’s looking for cheap cheers from people who don’t actually know or care how immigration works in the U.K. They just want to be assured someone else is going to be punished for their entertainment.

What’s next, will they go after naturalised citizens for not being British enough? That will get the Tommy Robinson fans dancing in the streets.

Apart from anything else £234bn over several decades is hardly a huge saving. We spend that in a year on the NHS.

As in the UK, most places that I'm familiar with require you to demonstrate at the point of application that you're able to support yourself financially.

DH has permanent resident status in the country where we both used to live. It gives him access to exactly the same benefits and services as nationals of that country, and there are no ongoing requirements in relation to earnings etc. The only requirement is that he needs to go back every few years to maintain his status.

Don’t hold your breath!!

Nope, because he had to admit he can’t impose that on EU citizens with IDL because of his beloved Brexit agreement. 🤣🤣🤣

The man IS a charlatan, to the extent that you might as well put a photo of him next to the word in the dictionary and no further definition in words would be necessary. Of course people should continue to point this out.

What is he doing that’s constructive? He has no intention of constructing anything. Very amusing how people demand that others respond “constructively” to the economically illiterate nonsense spouted by Farage and his ilk when they won’t answer a single factual question with anything other than fantasy numbers, can provide no economic analysis of the impacts of their proposed policies (clue: their publicly declared proposals add up to huge cut taxes and simultaneous enormous increases in spending which are as likely to happen as the herd of Brexit unicorns finally arriving on our shores) and respond only with dog whistling xenophobic rants. How do you propose anybody has a constructive conversation with such people?

This will win them the next election.

Ethnic minorities, take note and tighten your belts 😪

Yet another example of why Labour need to woman up and get to grips with this. I’d they don’t take visible action,Reform will and it will be a nightmare

Well, yes. It's probably in her best interest to get citizenship here if she intends to stay and her native country won't allow her to keep a foot in each door.

Without limits on earnings or insurance for health services/education costs?

The MN Reform cheerleaders tend to hate the sick and disabled, so they won't care if ill people are tossed out of the UK.

They certainly haven't figured out how to run our local council yet.

Most countries have some version of indefinite leave to remain or permanent residence.

@TheClaaaw What do other countries do?

Exactly. Totally unworkable and ridiculous. It’s clearly been dreamed up in a pub when worse for wear without thinking through any of the practicalities or finances. These people are a joke. They couldn’t run a kids’ cake sale and make a profit. The idea they could run an economy or the Home Office competently is laughable.

As long as she doesn't get sick or too disabled to be able to carry on in her job, that is.

CPS has publicly retracted their nonsense numbers that Farage based his idea on.

No, sorry, that’s not acceptable. People who’ve lived here for decades and made a life here, contributed a huge amount, should not have to reapply for the right to stay every 5 years in perpetuity or be forced in many cases to give up their citizenship in their home country in order to have any security over their status as UK residents. You’re talking about people who’ve been here for decades and decades, married with families, who’ve made their life here and paid decades of tax. Why should they have that hanging over them every 5 years? What happens if they do get sick later and their income drops? Even if not claiming benefits and supported by family/ savings, according to Mr Toad they’d fail the visa renewal requirements and be deported after decades of living and working here. It’s disgusting and shows it has nothing to do with contributing to society and everything to do with xenophobic dog whistling to pander to the flag people.

It's better to look sensibly at what he said. Probably more constructive bearing in mind people listen to Reform now. No point just saying he's a "charlatan".

Re the caseworkers there would be an ability to take a capped amount of people for essential work, reviewed each year.

The government won't release figures and current official figures are unreliable. So everyone is in the dark really. He thought about 800,000 would be affected, half of whom would be EU citizens. They would have to comply with visa requirements.

I think it's a good start to solve a big ongoing problem that is otherwise going to get worse and will bankrupt the country. It's not going to be quick or easy, which he admitted and obviously there will be many impediments and objections. But it's a start. He's putting UK taxpayers before individual immigrants which is different from the current system. I'm not convinced by Reform yet but at least he's got ideas better than "many in, one out (if we are lucky)"

And what’s he going to do, tell people who’ve been here decades and are married to British citizens and have British children “sorry, you’re being deported now because you don’t earn a high enough salary”? “Sorry kids, your mum doesn’t claim any benefits but she’s being deported because she’s forrin”.

One wonders whether this will also apply to his girlfriend who was so broke she couldn’t afford a hotel room so had to stay with him, and then mysteriously got the best part of a million pounds in cash out of the blue to buy a house in his constituency, which he announced on TV that he had just purchased yet now swears is nothing to do with him at all. Very mysterious. I suppose she’ll be ok because she’s French so probably covered by EU protection rights - the irony.

A sensible person would decouple the recourse to public funds from indefinite leave to remain and make access to benefits contributory for all but the disabled, like in most European countries. There’s no need to remove IDL from long-term residents who aren’t claiming benefits anyway. But Mr Toad isn’t sensible or interested in actual solutions, just dog whistling.

The usual stuff from Mr Toad. No analysis of the economic impact of this. Made up figures that don’t stack up about the alleged amount saved. No detail of how the policy would function or how those who don’t qualify will be detained or deported (many to countries with whom we have no return agreement or are war-zones) or the cost of that. No analysis of how this conflicts with existing treaties like - ironically - the Brexit agreement… I believe he subsequently had to admit EU citizens would be exempt because it would require a renegotiation. 🤣 No information about what happens to those for whom IDL has been granted already. He proposes to place an absolute cap on immigration and significantly raise the required salary threshold so where’s he going to get care workers from? Or is he going to let the Boomers know they’ll have to wipe their own bottoms? No economic analysis whatsoever and pie in the sky nonsense as usual. He’s a charlatan but it seems he has calculated that, as with Brexit, his target voters don’t understand even the basics of economics so won’t care.

I have British citizenship. This is not about me. It's about vulnerable children and partners.

There’s an income threshold so if she’s high earning she’ll be ok.

My friend has lived and worked here since 1988, she’s really worried now, her birth country doesn’t allow dual nationality so she would have to give that up to take up British citizenship, hence not doing it so far. Surely they are going after the wrong people if they are trying to drive out high income people!