Reform plans to scrap indefinite leave to remain for migrants

That will include the Ukrainians who fled Russia’s invasion and the Hong Kong Chinese who fled China’s crackdown on democracy. So Farage is going to send them all back?

I was struck by this quote from his press conference today:

”Farage said he accepted the policy would split families and remove people integrated in their communities "but that's why we're giving people advance notice of what's coming"

That will include the Ukrainians who fled Russia’s invasion and the Hong Kong Chinese who fled China’s crackdown on democracy. So Farage is going to send them all back?

I was struck by this quote from his press conference today:

”Farage said he accepted the policy would split families and remove people integrated in their communities "but that's why we're giving people advance notice of what's coming"

I was rather assuming, on the basis this a scenario entirely made up by you, that you would allow me to go with my parents? Would that be OK? It's many years ago since I was a child but I would probably have preferred that to staying here alone like Olivia Twist.

People who immigrated here in the Boris wave have to give up their pension contributions?

Will they get their taxes back?

Well without trying to make up things about a posters childhood that I know nothing about, I would have assumed that if parent goes back home, forced or not, the child goes with them, why wouldnt they?

Anyway, this is all hypothetical but you misread their post. They were implying the would have had a better childhood in their parents' home country, not here.

Probably right as well.

Yes you will get your pension even if you leave the country. Unless you came here in the Boris Wave.

No, they wouldn’t have been deported as a child when only one of their parents was an immigrant and the children are British citizens, born and settled here: only their immigrant parent would have been deported per Farage’s new policy. This poster stated that having one of their parents deported would have improved their childhood. Bizarre.

If their contention is that it would have been better for the entire family to move to the other parent’s country then presumably their parents would have chosen to do that without the need for the immigrant parent - who had decided to move to the UK and have children in the UK with a UK citizen spouse - being dragged out of the family home by immigration officers and forcibly put on a place back to their country of origin.

For those of you who think this is a great policy, are you hoping that property and assets will be seized at deportation and you’ll get them yourselves?

And?

How is that comparable to being forcibly deported away from your home, spouse and children?

No, they wouldn’t have been deported as a child when only one of their parents was an immigrant and the children are British citizens, born and settled here: only their immigrant parent would have been deported per Farage’s new policy. This poster stated that having one of their parents deported would have improved their childhood. Bizarre.

If their contention is that it would have been better for the entire family to move to the other parent’s country then presumably their parents would have chosen to do that without the need for the immigrant parent - who had decided to move to the UK and have children in the UK with a UK citizen spouse - being dragged out of the family home by immigration officers and forcibly put on a place back to their country of origin.

My parent has moved back.

Well pensioners with ILR were directly questioned today as to why they get pensions! Farage said that

I think you probably misread that persons post

I thought they were saying if their parent was deported, they would have grown up in their parents' home country instead of here and it would have improved their life/childhood because its a great country.

I want to know what happens to my pension. I have worked more years in the UK than in my home country, so I fully expect to get my UK pension once I’m ‘deported’. I contributed to the system and there is no way in hell I’m going to be without a pension. That’s the equivalent of theft as far as I’m concerned. I’m sure there are many other ILRs who are thinking this as well. My husband is English and has worked since the age of 16. However, instead of us spending our pensions in the UK, we will be spending in my home country.

What do they expect people to do once they get to a certain age? Keep renewing these visas which will probably cost £££ until they die? I have zero desire to be British. I have a nationality. We paid for me to come here, I followed the rules, worked, paid taxes, never claimed benefits - not even child benefits. I think the only thing I ever got was the £500 Labour gave newborns and free school dinners for a couple of years but I supposed I paid for that through my taxes. I feel like the 20 years I have contributed to the UK no longer matters because ‘I’m a foreigner’. It’s an absolute horrible feeling.

The point is that the net taker versus net contributor narrative is an old political trick which starts on foreigners but also gets extended to more vulnerable groups. The idea of welfare reform and disability was also raised. These are usually entry points for cuts.

The point about a pensioner with ILR being subject to this policy is not about being a foreigner. It will be framed as to whether you contributed. I do not think Farage will stop at “British get benefits”. It will be “British who contributed” get some benefits.

I see. So you believe that one of your parents being deported would have improved your life. Do you not like your parent much? Many immigrants come from brilliant countries but - unlike you it seems - quite like living in the same country as their spouses and children and don’t particularly want to be dragged out of their homes and put on a flight back to a country that they no longer live in, however brilliant it is.

Presumably your parent didn’t want to move back to their country of origin otherwise they’d have done so, so even if you’d have welcomed them being dragged out of the family home by immigration police I can’t imagine they’d have enjoyed the experience.

I want to know what happens to my pension. I have worked more years in the UK than in my home country, so I fully expect to get my UK pension once I’m ‘deported’. I contributed to the system and there is no way in hell I’m going to be without a pension. That’s the equivalent of theft as far as I’m concerned. I’m sure there are many other ILRs who are thinking this as well. My husband is English and has worked since the age of 16. However, instead of us spending our pensions in the UK, we will be spending in my home country.

What do they expect people to do once they get to a certain age? Keep renewing these visas which will probably cost £££ until they die? I have zero desire to be British. I have a nationality. We paid for me to come here, I followed the rules, worked, paid taxes, never claimed benefits - not even child benefits. I think the only thing I ever got was the £500 Labour gave newborns and free school dinners for a couple of years but I supposed I paid for that through my taxes. I feel like the 20 years I have contributed to the UK no longer matters because ‘I’m a foreigner’. It’s an absolute horrible feeling.

The country has a vast growing and unsustainable benefits Bill that the shrinking private sector is becoming unable to sustain. We aren't guaranteed to be a major economy for all time..plenty of countries go bust. All the signs are there that we may be one of those. Theres highly likely to be a fiscal crisis in the next year or so. Rachel Reeves has no idea what to do to solve it. And yet Labour will not allow any benefits savings however tiny to be made. So there's not much to be done apart from wait for 2029.

Edit QE has caused a lot of the world's economic problems anyway! So that's not the best idea...

For goodness sake! The country is absolutely not on the brink of bankruptcy!

We are a sovereign nation with our own fiat currency and the 6th largest economy in the world.

Despite the last 14 years of Tory propaganda about there being no money which has solely been in order to justify their ideologically driven austerity agenda, there is absolutely no risk of the country going bankrupt any time soon.

It could definitely become a possibility, however, if we start to get rid of the immigrants, can't fill essential roles and don't have enough working age tax payers to support an increasingly aging population.

I see. So you believe that one of your parents being deported would have improved your life. Do you not like your parent much? Many immigrants come from brilliant countries but - unlike you it seems - quite like living in the same country as their spouses and children and don’t particularly want to be dragged out of their homes and put on a flight back to a country that they no longer live in, however brilliant it is.

Presumably your parent didn’t want to move back to their country of origin otherwise they’d have done so, so even if you’d have welcomed them being dragged out of the family home by immigration police I can’t imagine they’d have enjoyed the experience.

Of course. I'm a child of an immigrant. But the country is on the brink of bankruptcy which will lead to the destruction of businesses, people being made homeless and our children's futures ruined. The cost of allowing 800,000 people ILR which will mean they can claim benefits and bring dependants who can also claim benefits will be a huge cost to the country. Something needs to be done for the benefit of all of us. Not for the benefit individuals who aren't British citizens if it's against the interests of Britain. That just seems perfectly reasonable. All other countries would agree.