Reform plans to scrap indefinite leave to remain for migrants

Which ones?

The solution would be to offer a payrise to public sector workers in return for a rejig of their pensions. Then the vast future liability can start being dealt with.

Reform's ideas on extending the IDL qualification period is good in that it means a reduction in benefits payments for a significant amount of people. But it's probably not going to solve our main issue or the country from bankruptcy. Yes growth would be good but Rachel Reeves won't be the Chancellor who enables it. She's a negative effect unfortunately.

So why not deport pensioners?

The civil service already earns below market rates because their pension package is meant to make up for their low pay. Their pensions have already been changed - they are no longer the great prizes they used to be.

Could they be cut? Sure - but the way to improve the country is through growth, not finding scapegoats to performantively punish. You’ve still not explained why Farage’s promise to split up families is actually a good thing. He’s just being cruel for the sake of it.

I appreciate not everyone is able to get dual nationality but for those who can, it seems a more logical choice than the expense, effort & uncertainty of renewing a work visa every 5 years.

Up to them of course and hopefully it will never be necessary anyway because this is all hypothetical at the moment. I made the comment because it’s what I would do in that situation if I could. Everyone’s different though.

Go after the public sector pensions. Stop giving well paid public sector workers huge payrises for no improvement. Their pensions can never be curbed anyway as it's the government's contractual obligation. And that's a huge burden on taxpayers.

Remove the triple lock.

That's what needs to be done. But won't be. So we will go bust eventually as Labour pile on the debt on our kids and grandchildren.

No the main ongoing obligation on the State is the pension obligation, both state and public. That will break us. The existing public worker pensions can't be reduced by the government as they are contractual. The pensions have been growing for decades..long before "austerity" or Brexit. The borrowing to cover the interest repayments are eye watering. So it's the state pension that will go or be decreased as that is the one that's in government control and that can be changed.

Nothing tp do with the 14 years the Conservatives were in charge? Brexit, Austerity?

Go after the public sector pensions. Stop giving well paid public sector workers huge payrises for no improvement. Their pensions can never be curbed anyway as it's the government's contractual obligation. And that's a huge burden on taxpayers.

Remove the triple lock.

That's what needs to be done. But won't be. So we will go bust eventually as Labour pile on the debt on our kids and grandchildren.

Most immigrants are working, yes. Unless they are retired, but as I’ve pointed out before retired immigrants are a drop in the pensions bucket. If you really want to go hard in on net “takers,” you’ll have to go after British pensioners. The pensions burden is very high, mainly because Britons didn’t have enough children to fund their pensions and benefits. Hence successive governments have been importing workers to prop up our elderly.

I don't think it's retrospective for those that already have ILR. It's for those that haven't yet got that status. I think that's what he said.

It's all hypothetical anyway. We've got Labour for 4 years so nothing will be done.

He won't send the Ukrainians back because they are white like his women, or the HK Chinese because they speak English and are the right shade of brown.

Mass immigration has been incredibly destructive, but this sort of policy is an over correction. It isn’t fair to change the rules retrospectively, maybe for new arrivals. It’s a good few years until they take over, policies change.

That would assume they are working then and not on benefits. So I think under Reform's suggested rules, they would qualify for a visa if they earned over £40,000.

People pay NI from the moment they start working in this country, yes. Immigrants are paying for British pensioners right now.

I didn’t ask you if you might have had a better childhood in another country. Again, you are making things up. 90% of your posts seem to be responses to an imagined conversation you’re having and things you have fabricated that nobody actually said. The other 10% have consisted of personal insults to other posters, some of which now seem to have been deleted. Tiresome and pointless.

I'm not sure about your specific example but I would try to gain British citizenship before the next election to be on the safe side. The next general election will probably not be for a few years.

Farage did say in the press conference that anyone who already has legal British citizenship would be safe from any possibility of being deported.

Some people will say Reform has no chance of getting into power anyway but who knows.

Do they pay NI during that 5 years? I've no idea.

Yes but I'm just replying to you with regard to your question about whether I would have had a better childhood in another country. Which I may have done? If it had happened..And then you asked about me liking my parents or not and whether I preferred to be without them living alone in another country. And I'm just trying to answer your questions about this scenario you made up about me in my childhood. Which didnt happen. So its hard to answer your questions.

Yes it's confusing but I'm doing my best here!

Me “allow you to go”? I’m not the politician who is proposing deportations of long-term residents with UK spouses and children, am I? Your strange fantasies get weirder and weirder.

UK citizen children don’t get deported just because a parent is deported. Neither do nice immigration officers deporting one of their parents ask if the whole family would like some time to pack, organise new jobs and accommodation in the other country and extend an offer to the family of a nice relocation package so they can all fly together to settle in the other parent’s country. Neither, to my knowledge, is Mr Farage proposing any such thing.

He’s proposing that non-UK citizens who have lived in the country for many years and already have permanent residency rights have these revoked and will then be forcibly deported if they earn below an as-yet-unspecified salary threshold at the time of any 5 year interval because they will be forced to reapply for 5 year visas in perpetuity, even if they have never used the NHS or claimed a penny in benefits, and have a job, home, and a family who are UK citizens. They will never be allowed to feel secure in their status as permanent residents of the country which they have built a life in unless they apply for citizenship, which many cannot do without relinquishing the nationality of the country in which they were born. One hell of a risk that would be if Farage was in charge given the xenophobia he’s made a career of stoking and is ramping up further deliberately with these very policies.

It may not have dawned on you but in some cases the UK citizen families of those who would be deported under his policies may not be eligible to move to the country where the deported spouse/ parent was born, so Mr Farage’s policies would enforce many family separations on people who have been UK residents and law-abiding taxpayers for many years or even decades: spouses separated, children separated from their parents, purely to feed his supporters’ thirst for xenophobia.

People who immigrated here in the Boris wave have to give up their pension contributions?

Will they get their taxes back?