Reform plans to scrap indefinite leave to remain for migrants

Yes, and given that the number of foreign pensioners in the country right now is vanishingly small it would take deporting British pensioners to make the great money-saving idea actually work.

OR you boost your economy and working population, and finally build enough houses (more building jobs!) to bring the prices down. And then nan can still get her pension and not have a mob waiting eagerly to grab her family home.

There have been numerous quotes from online sources posted on this thread, but somehow they're invisible to some posters

Oh right

🥱🥱🥱 Everyone can read the actual posts and that your “responses” were to questions that were not asked, and were about what it would have been like if your entire family had decided to move to your other parent’s country together, not about what it would have been like if one of your parents was forcibly deported and the rest of the family had to remain in the UK - which Farage has admitted will be the effect of his policies on many families.

You then started blathering on pretending I’d asked you if you thought you might have had chosen to raise you together in your other parents’ country instead of here, which is completely irrelevant to the thread and wasn’t asked at any point except, it seems, by some voices inside your head as part of your imaginary conversations which you keep trying to drag others into. No thank you.

I also don’t think it would ever happen for various reasons.

But I don’t understand why your wife would be very scared seeing as being from Germany she could get dual citizenship if that anxious & anyway, this “plan” is more aimed at non EU nationals.

EU nationals would be protected under Brexit agreements.

Yes, you’re wrong. He stated IDR will be removed entirely including from those who already have it.

He also stated that those who have been here for decades and already have IDR will not only have it removed and be forced to apply for a new visa every 5 years in perpetuity if they do not become UK citizens, but will also not be allowed any access to benefits (if, for example, they might become unemployed for a short period having lived here and paid tax for many decades) and would be deported for failing to meet the required income threshold (they are kicking a figure of £60k around).

Oh, and that if they manage to renew their visas every 5 years until they retire, they then won’t get a state pension either even if they’ve worked and paid tax in the UK throughout their working lives, because they aren’t UK citizens.

This has all been explained numerous times in the thread already as well as in transcripts of his speech and interviews but, as we’ve established, you don’t actually read any of the information or posts before writing nonsense posts.

I also don’t think it would ever happen for various reasons.

But I don’t understand why your wife would be very scared seeing as being from Germany she could get dual citizenship if that anxious & anyway, this “plan” is more aimed at non EU nationals.

EU nationals would be protected under Brexit agreements.

They certainly haven't figured out how to run our local council yet.

But I don't think Reform are arguing that? It's not retrospective. It's for people who have not yet got ILR. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I understand is the policy. So that's the 800,000 coming up for eligibility next year.

Does this mean nobody can apply for citizenship (including those who've worked here for years, those who moved here as small children, those who worked from 20-68 and want to retire here?
Women who've escaped an abusive British husband and have British kids?

You do turn things around, I'll give you that. 🤣

You said if my parent had been deported would that have improved my childhood. I said yes as my parent comes from a brilliant country. You said "you believe that one of your parents being deported would have improved your life. Do you not like your parent much?" And whether I'd have preferred to live in a different country to them. I said I was hoping I would have gone with my parent and not stayed alone like Olivia Twist. But as it was your made-up scenario and none of it happened, I didn't know if that was within your scenario that I went with my parent or stayed.

The words "imagined" and "fabricated" probably describe your posts better, I suggest.

It's better to look sensibly at what he said. Probably more constructive bearing in mind people listen to Reform now. No point just saying he's a "charlatan".

Re the caseworkers there would be an ability to take a capped amount of people for essential work, reviewed each year.

The government won't release figures and current official figures are unreliable. So everyone is in the dark really. He thought about 800,000 would be affected, half of whom would be EU citizens. They would have to comply with visa requirements.

I think it's a good start to solve a big ongoing problem that is otherwise going to get worse and will bankrupt the country. It's not going to be quick or easy, which he admitted and obviously there will be many impediments and objections. But it's a start. He's putting UK taxpayers before individual immigrants which is different from the current system. I'm not convinced by Reform yet but at least he's got ideas better than "many in, one out (if we are lucky)"

I agree that yes, it seems a no brainer for those able to get dual citizenship. For those potentially having to give up their original nationality to get it, a much harder choice. I would never give up my British nationality but I wouldn’t personally have any issues with dual nationality if I wanted to live in another country.

The more I think about it the more I think this Reform policy will never actually happen. It would be a crazy thing to apply retrospectively to people who have already gained indefinite leave to remain.

I know Reform will probably never get elected anyway. But even if they did, surely this policy would get watered down so the 5 year work visa route would replace ILR only for those people who had not yet been granted ILR.

You suggested that pensions are the UK's biggest problem and is bankrupting it. So instead of deporting immigrants, I suggested to deport pensioners.

Not seriously obviously, it's just as ridiculous as Farage's new policy.

I don't suggest any pensioners should be deported. That was your question?

Why not all of them.

Which ones do you suggest?