Reform plans to scrap indefinite leave to remain for migrants

In that situation and you've been in the country 5 -10 yrs then it's probably best to apply for citizenship rather than another ilr visa in that case. (And I'm saying this without judgement, my DH has been here for decades on ILR but with no real incentive to apply for citizenship)

I hadn't seen the revoking of dual citizenship though, that flew under the radar for me.

I suspect because many Britons (even in media) are automatically connecting dual citizenship = boat person, not dual citizen = Briton with Irish grandparent.

As I said I was referring to the ‘deportation centres’ posts. Idk why people are envisaging those for around 800k people but it’s not going to be how the majority react.

Yes. He explicitly stated that he is aware that it will mean forcibly separating families in which one spouse/ parent is a non-UK citizen and has been living and working in the UK legally for decades with indefinite leave to remain.

He said “that’s why we’re warning people now”.

Apparently he thinks it’s perfectly acceptable and reasonable to separate husbands, wives and children by forcibly removing and deporting people who’ve abided by all immigration laws and contributed to UK society and tax revenues for decades. If they earn less than whatever income threshold he sets (£60k is their current stated intention) or their income drops below this threshold at any point in the future they will be unable to renew their visa and will be deported.

Even if they do earn this amount currently they must never be temporarily unemployed, must never become ill, and can never retire (especially as he also stated that only UK citizens will be eligible for state pensions regardless of whether they’ve worked and paid tax in the UK throughout their working lives).

Pure xenophobia.

It’s beyond me how he thinks he will attract any immigrants earning over £60k given UK living standards have already fallen off a cliff in comparison to comparable European countries, Australia, Canada and the US, with much lower comparative salaries in the UK, very high taxes on those earning above average salaries, services and infrastructure that would shame a developing country, and then also a racist environment to make them feel super welcome here if Reform are elected. What an exciting prospect for ambitious and talented young people (and the reason why so many of our own are leaving already)!

A very fast collapse of the economy and services awaits if Reform are elected because our skills shortages can’t be met without immigrants and our spending commitments can’t be met without the taxes paid by immigrants, not to mention that the rest of his proposed policies equate to much lower taxes and simultaneously much higher spending with no explanation whatsoever of how this would be funded. It would make the Truss debacle seem like a momentary, insignificant hiccup. The markets are all well aware of this so the moment election results were announced the markets would tank, before they even carried out any of their lunacy. Perhaps his herd of unicorns have found a bottomless pot of gold at the end of the rainbow…

It was on the Times live feed yesterday morning.

I can access the Times...I will have a look. I wonder why this hasn't been picked up more?

I saw it in the Times yesterday - mentioned it on a different thread. But also covered in the Guardian. I'll see if I can get the FT report.

So Reform wants to strip British citizens of dual Commonwealth or Irish citizenship, or make them emigrate to their other place of citizenship? That will also lead to fewer British taxpayers.

I think we're just into semantics now.

If somebody who is legally and indefinitely resident, is now retrospectively rendered illegal, and thus finds themselves having to leave the UK, you can say they've not been deported because they haven't been handcuffed and physically hauled onto a plane. But their lives have been retrospectively messed up by Nigel&Co, and somehow that is OK because it was done with weasel words and not overt force.

I did not spot that at all. That's also a massive change, particularly when combined with the announcement about scrapping ILR. Has this been reported anywhere?

Yes an end to dual citizenship was announced yesterday. Given very little coverage though.

@Upstartled

Aren’t they also proposing to increase the time period to apply for citizenship? So if you have had ILR for more than 5 years but less than the 10 year period Reform are suggesting, then you will need to meet the new financial income test and reapply for a Visa. If you can’t prove an income £60k, then you will be deported.

What I’m not clear on is whether there will be an exception for someone with ILR who is married to a British citizen.

Was that in their package yesterday? I suppose it's an option that's available.

India doesn't allow dual citizenship anyway.

Reform announced that they would scrap dual citizenship.

Obviously a contravention of the GFA.
But also a problem for plenty of people here from Australia, US, Israel and India etc.

Yes, citizenship is an option to those who wish to remain without the restrictive elements of reapplying for ILR under this proposal. Those who would rather live here without applying for citizenship have a higher hoop to jump through. Those whose country of origin won't allow people to retain dual citizenship are being restricted by their own country's legislation.

I think it's an ill thought out policy without much meat on the bones, but I don't think it merits the hyperbole on the thread.

I thought the poster who suggested that this was more a policy to propel the idea of 'Boriswave' further into the media language - as a kind of preparatory gut punch to any ambition of his return - had an interesting idea that I hadn't considered. Especially as Kemi runs down the clock to another leadership challenge.

Has Reform clarified whether the proposal will apply to those with ILR who are married to British citizens? If so, this is extremely shocking and will rip families apart. Most people will not be able to meet the proposed £60k per annum income test.
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I’m referring to the deportation posts below where people are rounded up or put together. If they do get elected with this policy I’d say most people are law abiding and will not stay.

I mean they can with citizenship of course but if they choose not to do that.

You already have that! Visas based on work already secured (and it costs the employer, so they are incentivised to get hard-to-find skills) no right to being family over outside a direct set of immediate nuclear family , the lot. A lot of beliefs about the immigration system Britons have are 30 or more years out of date.

The areas you could actually tighten are around committing to hiring British medical and nursing graduates into entry level positions instead of opening them up to international applicants, and possibly also finding more British health care education places.

https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa

I agree. It’s pretty obvious. How many Reform voters will look beyond the “prioritizing the British citizen” which is the title of Reform’s policy paper is another question.

If I were a right wing, well educated sotto racist with money I would however back Reform to give me all my dreams. The only question is who else thinks it’s good and why. If I were below this 60k line I would be thinking carefully

And if they don't meet the requirements, will be forced to leave everything they have worked for behind.

I suppose if you view immigrants as lesser beings, you can kid yourself that it this is all OK.

Exactly. It reminds me again and again of that Niemöller poem. First, they came for the "illegal immigrants"...

As has been pointed out repeatedly, some people - having lived in the UK for many decades - are not in a position to relocate. They may now be elderly. They may never have lived in their country of origin since they were a child and have little connection to it whatsoever. Their spouses and children might not qualify for residency in their country of origin, or speak the language, or be able to move for other reasons such as having elderly parents to care for or UK-specific jobs or qualifications, so families will be forcibly separated even though the people being deported had moved to the UK entirely legally and have been law-abiding and tax-paying UK citizens for decades and built a life, home and family here.

Most legal requirements are not imposed retrospectively, removing existing legal rights and forcibly uprooting people’s lives and expelling them like criminals when they’ve done nothing wrong.

So, to check, if people who have made their lives here (in good faith, following all the requirements and laws at each step) and hold indefinite leave to remain, have this status retrospectively revoked by Nigel&Co and replaced by {some time-limited visa which they'll have to keep reapplying for}, this is fine and dandy?