Reform plans to scrap indefinite leave to remain for migrants

They are nowhere near government BUT Tory MPs are little by little abandoning Tories and going to Reform because the media is pushing Reform for the win so hard. And the Conservatives are in the wilderness politically. So the really viscous, right wing, Brexity Tories will align with Reform, which Reform need as they have no clue how to govern or do anything much really.
It would be a coalition of the rancid.
Just doesn’t bear thinking about, but it has to be stopped because what they want would be fascism in the UK for the first time ever, and we have always stood quite firmly against that.

And, as I think you have mentioned previously, it wouldn't all need primary legislation. There are plenty of other levers that could be pulled.

These are people who are advocating the abandonment of the ECHR, who have openly tried to undermine the rule of law and independence of the judiciary already, who have stated that they will revoke permanent residency rights from people settled legally in the UK for decades, who are advocating the removal of rights for disabled children to attend school…. Etc. If these authoritarians were actually in power there’s not a chance they’d respect British constitutional conventions and allow the House of Lords to block them imposing their extremist policies into law. The British constitution would be ripped up just as readily as international treaties and the rule of law, make no mistake.

People should also not forget that once in power they would not be limited to implementing only what they state in their election manifesto. That will probably be made to appear slightly more mild deliberately to trick people into thinking that they aren’t really as extreme as they’ve now shown us all that they are.

Reform would just use a lot of parliamentary procedure to whip it through, and retain the nuclear option of the Parliament Act to push it through. This policy will be in their manifesto which will be then elected policy of a government. The House of Lirds cannot permanently frustrate an elected government putting its manifesto in to effect

Sure, but there are now loads of people who were disappointed with the post-Brexit Tories and Labour, so they are thinking Reform can’t be any worse. Oh yes they can - and they’re happily telling us how and why!

I think its important that people dont think "They couldn't do that" when (if offered the opportunity) they absolutely could.
Take them at their words.

not rtft but what’s interesting is so many posters are assuming that this will happen, Reform are nowhere near government (yet) nor should they be in my opinion.

grifters who’ve financially benefitted from sowing seeds of discord and division. Farage won’t be happy until he’s destroyed this country, then he’ll swan off into the sunset with his millions after making us all financially, culturally and socially poorer.

Fairly sure they only have a year. So they could delay but not stop altogether.

There’s another ( now closed) thread on this in AIBU if anyone can link?)
The proposal to stop dual citizenship is so regressive. Previously, as a British citizen, had I decided to become an American citizen, the US would make me give up my British passport. However, the British government would not cease to recognise me as British so if I needed to apply for another (say if I wanted to permanently return to the uk) I could.
In the nightmare scenario the Belgian Farage is floating, should my husband and I decide to use my husbands EU status to get me residence and eventually citizenship in his EU country, I would then have to renounce my Britishness and I could never go home again, for example if my husband died and I wanted to retire to the uk.
I grew up in the 90s when we lived the dream of free movement. All my siblings benefitted, living in various EU countries, learning languages, working, studying. My husband, the same. We were kids from low income families, but curious and bright. We grew up thinking we could be happy and comfortable and welcome in Italy, France, Netherlands, mixing, learning about other cultures, contributing from our own.
I feel so sad that this fascism is on the rise. Like, really upset. And really upset with the BBC and other media, reporting as though it’s a done deal! We need to wake up!

One can only hope. Clearly their “core” supporters are the racist/ xenophobic nutters. But many people seem to have been attracted to them more recently simply out of frustration with the Conservatives and Labour with the misguided belief that “they can’t be worse” when they would very clearly be orders of magnitude worse.

The extent of Reform’s extremism is now being openly declared by them in numerous announcements so you’d hope that people who aren’t racists but were considering voting for them at the next election in desperation will start to actually look at their policies, the economic analyses of the impact these would have, the horrific things that they are stating very brazenly and explicitly now that they will do because they’ve been emboldened by opinion polls to be open about their extremism, and that this will deter some people who might have been drawn in by their previous attempts to pretend their agenda is for the benefit of normal people.

It is a fact that Reform’s stated policies would make the very demographic from whom most of their support appears to be drawn (people with average or below average incomes) far, far poorer than they are now and perhaps enough people will realise this now that Reform’s “announcements” have become so clearly extremist. However, this would rely on a majority of the UK electorate caring about facts rather than rhetoric and propaganda; reading independent analysis not just social media; and understanding the most basic things about economics and - as Brexit evidenced - a very significant proportion of the UK electorate sadly do not do any of those things.

I think, in theory, the HoL can effectively grind a bill down with amendments so that there's no time to implement a policy within the term of a government.

Well it’s the “elective dictatorship” described by Halisham or you can look at Hennessy’s “good chap” theory. There is very little to stop a government of any kind legislating like this - the tacit understanding between Labour and Conservative is that being extreme in one Parliament tends to encourage similar conduct by another government.

Reform aren’t that kind of party

https://davidallengreen.com/2025/08/yes-an-incoming-illiberal-and-radical-uk-government-would-have-absolute-constitutional-power/

It certainly could. The House of Lords can be overridden or overstuffed (the latter referred to yesterday by Farage as a possibility).

If Reform win the next election they will have a majority.
The HoL are required to pass anything in a manifesto (ie what the majority of the public has explicitly agreed to). There are no other constitutional safeguards.

Ok- but if Reform win the next election, they will need to get a majority to pass a bill reflecting these bonkers policies, and then there will be the House of Lords who will definitely send it back and then there will be appeals (assuming the ECHR isn’t revoked by then). I wonder if any of this could actually get through?

Reddit seems to go into detail with a question on it. And it seems yes to this

Oh good, the situation is as I first described it then.

Yes, as I said, I think it's back of a beer mat kind of policy but I don't think it's as dire as people describe it.

I sincerely hope that the overreach will repel more people from Reform

"Farage and Yusuf brushed off concerns that their policies, including plans to ban dual citizenship, would have a detrimental impact on the economy."

(Guardian - What are Nigel Farage’s immigration plans – and do his sums add up? - very end of the article)

I know its only the Guardian so it doesnt count.
But I definitely read it somewhere else yesterday because I immediately sent a message to a friend. And the Guardian isnt my choice of newspaper.

I'm struggling to find anything definitive about their policy on dual citizenship. AI suggests that they may be planning to ban it for new migrants but not existing ones...is that right?

Yes, well, this is where we are at - although not because of the income threshold but, just moving forward, it seems like the sensible thing to do - even if he is moaning about this citizenship ceremony.

They haven’t said they’ll revoke dual citizenship. The issue is that some countries don’t allow dual citizenship. Therefore, if people who currently have ILR wanted to apply for UK citizenship many would have to relinquish their citizenship of their birth country. This would be an incredibly dangerous thing for them to do if there is a prospect of a racist and xenophobic Reform Government which is openly stating these kinds of policies before it’s even elected, don’t you think?

What they are planning to do is revoke ILR entirely, so nobody can have the status of a permanent resident in the UK unless they have UK citizenship, including many people who have had ILR for decades. And if at any point any of these individuals earns less than the income threshold set, or becomes temporarily unemployed or sick and can’t work, or wants to retire, or is even accused of a crime (pending trial and no conviction) the visa that they will be forced to apply to renew every 5 years may be refused and they will be deported.

In the context of the above, it should also be noted that Reform has explicitly stated its intentions to undermine the rule of law and independence of the judiciary.

Me too. My DH made the decision to give up his original citizenship in order to take British citizenship a few years ago., because his country of origin didn't allow dual citizenship.It was an incredibly tough decision and one which he has often questioned since.

If ILR goes and nobody is allowed dual citizenship, there will be a lot more people with some very tough decisions to make.

We are in agreement, then. I also don't think (despite some keen proposals on the other thread) that we'll have race riots and 800K capacity internment camps. People's good-faith lives will be ripped apart, not with a bang but with a whimper.