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Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers

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secureyourbook · 17/09/2025 16:10

I’ve seen so many people this last week who see themselves as such “right on” virtuous people posting the most horrible things on social media.

One replied to a post about Charlie Kirk, it was basically a “sorry not sorry” post because he’s so hateful. When asked by someone if she’s actually seen any of his debates she said she didn’t need to, the facts are there that he was basically a fascist who incites violence. FWIW I’ve watched several of his videos since seeing her post today and seen nothing that suggests this, even though I don’t agree with his opinion on many things (but apparently he’s doing it in code, whatever that means)

Another friend was ranting about the protest in London and using really horrible terms to describe people that went. I hate what the flags have come to represent, and I don’t doubt that there were many thugs there just wanting to stir up hate. Surely though, describing all who went to the protest as the same (basically they’re all thick as shit racist hooligans) is no better than someone describing all immigrants as benefit chasing potential rapists (or insert any other racist stereotype)

Am I missing something? Or is it considered acceptable to make sweeping generalisations as long as you’re on the left side of the political spectrum?

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llizzie · 18/09/2025 23:43

secureyourbook · 17/09/2025 16:10

I’ve seen so many people this last week who see themselves as such “right on” virtuous people posting the most horrible things on social media.

One replied to a post about Charlie Kirk, it was basically a “sorry not sorry” post because he’s so hateful. When asked by someone if she’s actually seen any of his debates she said she didn’t need to, the facts are there that he was basically a fascist who incites violence. FWIW I’ve watched several of his videos since seeing her post today and seen nothing that suggests this, even though I don’t agree with his opinion on many things (but apparently he’s doing it in code, whatever that means)

Another friend was ranting about the protest in London and using really horrible terms to describe people that went. I hate what the flags have come to represent, and I don’t doubt that there were many thugs there just wanting to stir up hate. Surely though, describing all who went to the protest as the same (basically they’re all thick as shit racist hooligans) is no better than someone describing all immigrants as benefit chasing potential rapists (or insert any other racist stereotype)

Am I missing something? Or is it considered acceptable to make sweeping generalisations as long as you’re on the left side of the political spectrum?

I am all for free speech. What I am not in favour of is using spiteful words of hate to describe someone you don't agree with.

What is 'far right'? What 'far left'? What is fascism? There is no one alive in the western democratic world who can be calls a fascist.

A fascist is someone who kills everyone else except the people they like. Hitler did that. He killed everyone who was not of what he considered of 'pure Arian stock'. He killed disabled Germans - particularly with genetic diseases. He killed gypsies, but most he was responsible for killing millions of Jews all over Europe. The only people who are doing that at the moment are Hamas, who have declared ''We will kill all Jews wherever in the world they are''. That is why they invaded Israel and took hundreds of hostages into captivity.

Those words were first used over 100 years ago. They should stay there. In 1917 there was a Russian revolution and the Bolsheviks came to power, full of grand ideas about socialism, where everyone had the same and lived equally with one another. It turned out they were the same - poor, starving, out of work, hopeless. They took the wealth and it wasn't enough to go round. They took over the palaces and estates, but even putting one family a room, there still was not enough housing. They took the industries, but there was no money to run them, so people had no work. It was worse than socialism, and Stalin made it even worse: far left of socialism.

After the Great War Hitler was disillusioned with the peace. More died from flu in 1918 than in the war. Then there were strikes, and then the Wall Street Crash, and it was easy for Hitler to convince the Germans that it was all the fault of the Jews, and Germany would be so much better if they were all killed, along with disabled German children and adults, and anyone else who did not match up to the 'pure Arian race' Hitler thought Germany should be. Only those would be allowed to live, and a big new pure Germany would be the result.

Fascism.

Britain stood alone to fight the nazis. Britons fought and died, civilians lived and died, and all under the banners of the union flag, and every November we honour their name and their sacrifices. We are still waving the union flag and standing up to freedom, allowing no one to take it from us. We fought Hitler because we believed that killing off people that were not a certain grade was wrong.

Nationalism.

Now, for some reason there are people who have never learned the meanings of those words, never understood what went on, either because they were not interested or just had their own ideas. Their history books, if they opened them, tell them that Hitler was a fascist and hated by the world, so that when they hate someone they call them fascist.

They cannot learn that if someone says something you don't agree with calling them names is not the answer, especially not names that others pick up on and spread the hate. What is wrong with saying you don't agree with what is said, and putting your own view forward?

Nothing, but it doesn't have the same hysterical support 'far right,' 'far left' and 'nazi' and 'fascist' have. 100 year old words, 100 years ago they meant something. Now they do not in the western democratic world. We don't say ''thee'' and ''thou'' any more, yet they are not that much older than the others.

In the western world there is no place for those words. If the use of those words by people too pig ignorant to understand what they are saying continues, there will be more marches and counter marches, and more murders like Charlie Kirk.

Whoever these people are who are trying to impose these expressions on others are wrong to do so. They know full well the difference between nationalism under the country's flag, They call people 'far right' and fascist' who honour the flag because it stirs others up. It has nothing to do with reality, or truth, or anything other than an effort to cause civic unrest.

They are an unfortunate product of our wilting education system.

Hellohelga · 18/09/2025 21:19

Oh yeah and the FRE Norwegian who went on the rampage shooting dozens of youths at a summer camp.

Nagginthenag · 18/09/2025 21:17

OneAmberGoose · 17/09/2025 16:41

One of your ‘tolerant left’ just put a bullet through a young mans neck. In front of his wife and children. Have a word with yourself.

No-one knows if the person who did the shooting aligns with the left or the right - we do know he was brought up in a Republican household. And certain sections of population both here and in the US have lost their collective minds over it.

Where was the shock and horror at the murders of Melissa and Mark Hortman? Or is it that because they were democrats they don't get statues at the Capitol, state funerals, announcements from the president.

What happened to Kirk was appalling, but that doesn't mean some of his awful behaviours and opinions should be overlooked. He's no candidate for sainthood.

Tbh, far left and far right are the very close ends of a horseshoe.

Hellohelga · 18/09/2025 21:15

Forgot also FRE who drove into Muslim worshippers outside a mosque. Leftie says they’re happy the bad man got shot. Sorry who is worse?

Hellohelga · 18/09/2025 21:12

Far right extremist murders Labour MP Jo Cox. Leftie calls someone on FR not very bright. So much worse.

FreeTheOakTree · 18/09/2025 21:11

ThejoyofNC · 17/09/2025 16:11

The far left are much worse in my opinion.

In YOUR opinion only, as evidence points to the contrary.

Circularmadness · 18/09/2025 21:03

OneAmberGoose · 17/09/2025 16:41

One of your ‘tolerant left’ just put a bullet through a young mans neck. In front of his wife and children. Have a word with yourself.

The same young man that laughed about the slaughter of people in Gaza? The deaths of all those innocent children and babies? I think the guy is a prick but I’m not advocating what happened to him, no one should be killed for their beliefs.
Also, I have a massive issue with the framing of this as a collective murder that “the left” have perpetrated. Your post frames it as that too “one of your..” it’s right wing divisive propaganda.

This was one guy who was raised in a very right wing, gun toting household. It’s not been fully established that he wasn’t a far right groyper yet. The memes on the casing suggest that he might have been and he literally dressed up as a groyper meme for Halloween. Even if he WAS a convert to the left, how can you separate his actions from his right wing upbringing? His proficiency with weapons was due to this. Without it, Kirk would likely still be alive. Anyway, this is a singular man who committed this crime, not the entire left wing - the majority of whom I’ve seen condemn the murder even if they disagree with his ideology.

Oh and the vast majority of these type of crimes are committed by the far right. Do you claim all of them as “yours”?

MasterPlaster · 18/09/2025 20:20

Freud2 · 18/09/2025 18:18

He campaigned for Brexit but he wasn't in power so he had no control of how it was implemented. Incidentally the NHS got more money than what was stated on the promotion bus! But still it went down a black hole.

Yes, I know. Conservative was in power. Farage still campaigned for it on materially incorrect information. I can’t find any references to the NHS actually receiving the £350M a week as a result of Brexit? Would love to see it though.

Husbandpreparedtobeflamed · 18/09/2025 19:41

hamstersarse · 17/09/2025 16:30

I mean, he can't be any worse than Starmer

He will be so much worse - say goodbye to the NHS for one thing...

StrongLikeMamma · 18/09/2025 18:58

1dayatatime · 18/09/2025 18:49

I think your views are very well explained by Jonathan Pie:

I’m very happy to be called a lefty.

StrongLikeMamma · 18/09/2025 18:57

What’s confusing? Far right racists are bringing shame on our flag. Seems simple to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

1dayatatime · 18/09/2025 18:49

healthyteeth · 17/09/2025 21:18

This thread epitomises all that is wrong with politics, the media, social media and the subsequent lies and division in 2025.

The pathetic back and forth and name calling reminds me of a primary school playground.
“You’re mean!”
“no you’re meaner!” Foot stamp.

No engagement or conversation just a weird back and forth “lefties!” “Fascists!”

It’s bizarre.

I think your views are very well explained by Jonathan Pie:

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Freud2 · 18/09/2025 18:18

MasterPlaster · 17/09/2025 16:29

Hilarious. Honestly, good luck with Reform. We tried.

Hopefully Farage is better with the facts than he was with Brexit and the NHS. Best of luck.

He campaigned for Brexit but he wasn't in power so he had no control of how it was implemented. Incidentally the NHS got more money than what was stated on the promotion bus! But still it went down a black hole.

labtest57 · 18/09/2025 16:59

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/09/2025 17:56

Have you actually seen these messages? Don't believe anything until it's produced as evidence in court. And even then...

They were read out by the police on NBC

ElleneAsanto · 18/09/2025 11:22

healthyteeth · 17/09/2025 21:18

This thread epitomises all that is wrong with politics, the media, social media and the subsequent lies and division in 2025.

The pathetic back and forth and name calling reminds me of a primary school playground.
“You’re mean!”
“no you’re meaner!” Foot stamp.

No engagement or conversation just a weird back and forth “lefties!” “Fascists!”

It’s bizarre.

The only positive I can find in this thread is the number of people who would seem to agree with this.

healthyteeth · 17/09/2025 21:18

This thread epitomises all that is wrong with politics, the media, social media and the subsequent lies and division in 2025.

The pathetic back and forth and name calling reminds me of a primary school playground.
“You’re mean!”
“no you’re meaner!” Foot stamp.

No engagement or conversation just a weird back and forth “lefties!” “Fascists!”

It’s bizarre.

BeHappySloth · 17/09/2025 21:08

OneAmberGoose · 17/09/2025 20:56

And they clearly haven’t seen any of the abhorrent abuse towards the grieving family of Charlie Kirk. Typically lefties… no debate, just screaming abuse and denial of anybody else’s viewpoint.

Tbh, the uncalled for comments about "typical lefties" aren't exactly painting you in a very positive light either.

As a "typical leftie" myself, I'm appalled by Charlie Kirk's assassination and by the insensitive and offensive comments that some people have made in the wake of his murder. I agree that it is abhorrent to direct abuse towards his grieving family, who deserve nothing other than compassion and support at this time. And pretty much every other "typical leftie" that I've spoken to about the issue feels the same. So less of the crass generalisations all round, please.

OneAmberGoose · 17/09/2025 20:56

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 17/09/2025 17:26

You haven’t seen all the stuff aimed at gender critical women then?

And they clearly haven’t seen any of the abhorrent abuse towards the grieving family of Charlie Kirk. Typically lefties… no debate, just screaming abuse and denial of anybody else’s viewpoint.

RedBullAndYop · 17/09/2025 20:18

The Antifa mob who show up masked to intimidate women at women’s rights events are very unpleasant indeed - they usually identify as far-left or socialist. I firmly believe in the horseshoe theory. The far left when speaking about deporting Jews from Israel use the same language as the ultra far right calling for mass-deportations of Muslims from the UK.

luckylavender · 17/09/2025 20:16

hamstersarse · 17/09/2025 16:30

I mean, he can't be any worse than Starmer

I definitely think he could

HereAreYourOptions · 17/09/2025 20:15

Dmsandfloatydress · 17/09/2025 19:18

Far left Chairman Mao and Stalin
Far Right Hitler
Either scenario I'm toast! Give me a moderate centrist society anyday with a large dose of democracy and free speech. Also manners, I like manners.

Ah, but did you know that Hitler was also actually far left, because his party had socialist in the name?

Or at least that’s what some people will say with a straight face.

A plague on both their houses anyway.

Twinstudy · 17/09/2025 20:14

I wouldn't describe myself as far left, more centre left to be honest. But I honestly believe that anyone who went on that march and didn't leave reconsidering who they align themselves with, is a racist.

Pepperlee · 17/09/2025 20:11

samarrange · 17/09/2025 19:29

They can’t fathom that some little old lady might be intimidated when the hotel up the road is filled with young men who hang around on the streets in gangs.

Might the same little old lady also be intimidated by a crowd of coked-up shaven-headed blokes with England flags and cans of Stella, and about half of them having convictions for domestic violence, chanting racist slogans towards the hotel?

Nowt like a bit of gross overgeneralisation.

MasterPlaster · 17/09/2025 20:11

ILikeDinosaurs · 17/09/2025 19:29

OneAmberGoose · Today 16:41

One of your ‘tolerant left’ just put a bullet through a young mans neck. In front of his wife and children. Have a word with yourself.

Let's look at the MANY, MANY, MANY members of your intolerant right murdering innocent kids at their schools, people worshipping in churches, a Democrat and her husband and even their dog recently. Let's not forget Dumpy Trump's ICE thugs violently kidnapping innocent people with no due process splitting up their families and literally leaving kids crying lost in the streets, your far right lunatics setting up an alligator auschwitz CONCENTRATION CAMP and literally salivating and laughing at the thought of alligators eating people and all the people in Gaza that the right supports killing.

Have a word with yourself and what you support.

Edited

Agreed. They’re foul. The callous, indifferent way he talked about State Rep Melissa Hortman, and her husband, who were murdered disgusts me. No White House flag flown at half mast for them. That callous indifference is rife. I see it here.

hattie43 · 17/09/2025 19:54

AnotherNaCha · 17/09/2025 19:24

Just no. Absolutely not, no truth in that. But this seems to be the new tactic of the far right to hide their atrocities behind lies about the left. And people blindly follow it. Hateful Nigel will be the next PM as a result, then we’re all screwed

What rubbish . You’ve veered so far left you call centre right far right . Most people don’t think of it as right but common sense .

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