Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers

The majority of the left did none of those things you accuse them of. It's only maybe 0.1% of the far, far left. Or, in other words, you pointed to extremism to smear an entire mass group.

Thanks for showing your double standard.

I was a left winger for years and years and I still believe in the basis principles of being left wing. However the recent shift to fringe ideologies amongst the majority of Labour/Lib Dems and Greens are something i cannot understand. TRA’s calling for women to be decapitated alongside smiling MP’s. The suppression of news on the grooming and rape gangs. Protests targeting the destruction of the few things people enjoy art, sports, flower shows. Aligning themselves with Islamists, a religion which taken to such extremes is now trying to eradicate women in Afghanistan (which they are strangely silent on, in fact some are even going out of their way to suppress this).
Its like wanting a fairer state that protects the most vulnerable (as in the elderly, children, disabled - not a man who has put on a dress) without overtaxation is no longer enough for them, they want to be seen as good people above everything else who support these causes and make sure everyone knows how wonderful they are. It’s almost become a religion of one up man ship. But no one can be that perfect all the time, good guys need bad guys so they have legitimate targets. Punch a TERF. Fuck the Tories. Kill a Nazi. Dance on TikTok to celebrate an assassination. Scrape the pictures of missing hostages off walls. Punch a 72 year old woman in the face at a rally. It doesn’t matter because they were on the wrong side, they don’t count, they are evil. Well this is not the left I supported and voted for.

'I’ve noticed on social media, especially before the election, a bombardment of vote reform posts. I can’t stand Reform. I find the whole “reform are in with a chance of winning” really dodgy too - it started shortly after the last general election where people had just been given a chance to vote, yet somehow everyone really wanted reform? There is something really fishy about the whole thing and it feels like nudge theory on steroids, funded by God knows who.'

This - along with the deluge of anti Starmer posts. Nowhere near as many threads started about the Conservatives despite Brexit and Truss trashing the economy, the Covid parties, failure to impact illegal immigration etc etc]

Very much agree.
The idea that it’s only left wing people that ever do anything to help others is just as much a silly cliche as the claim right wing people sometimes make that left wing people expect the state to sort everything out.
I wonder if people of different political beliefs tend to gravitate to certain types of volunteering so both sides are speaking from experience when they say they only ever meet people with the same politics as them. What things you can do depends on things that also correlate with politics like age, economic situation, education level.

I don’t think it’s as black and white as that. I know plenty of right leaning people who volunteer in various organisations and groups, helping in their communities and giving a huge amount of their time for free. I also know quite a few left wing people who moan a lot about local services but do nothing to help, despite being retired and having time to get involved. We really need to move away from this left wing = good, right wing = bad, there are decent people and idiots on both sides of the political divide.

I have no idea what camp I fit into and should think that lots of people are issues based. I don’t think all landlords are scum, think VAT on school fees was an appalling idea (especially when children are already mid-schooling), have a high income household, which puts me on the right by some. I think the way politicians and the media talk about people with disabilities is appalling - the left and the right do that. I think the damage that covid is doing to people of all ages should be addressed - no party really talks about that, despite the costs of ignoring it ramping further and further up. The flags everywhere leave a really nasty taste in my mouth. I voted Remain. I really dislike Trump.

I think that most people are in favour of free speech - with free speech comes consequence and some don’t like that (I mean being called out on it/being punished if it’s incitement etc - not being shot). There’s a lot of hateful speech dressed up as free speech. Some people behave like religious fanatics as though they have to defend everything their ‘side’ does no matter how ludicrous - social media amplifies this. As for debate, someone will repeat a headline/opinion/political soundbite which is easily refuted with facts/data by another, yet the extreme person will stand by it/say they’re lying/lots of laughing emojis. Bots amplify this and there seem more bots on the right. Politicians also often repeat stuff that they must know is untrue - if there were more accountability in that area, it would help - lots of people can accept there will be pros and cons, without the deceit. There’s also false equivalence - someone creams off £££££, another creams off £ and it’s “they’re as bad as each other” or 99% of data supports a theory, yet the 1% is given the same weight.

I’ve noticed on social media, especially before the election, a bombardment of vote reform posts. I can’t stand Reform. I find the whole “reform are in with a chance of winning” really dodgy too - it started shortly after the last general election where people had just been given a chance to vote, yet somehow everyone really wanted reform? There is something really fishy about the whole thing and it feels like nudge theory on steroids, funded by God knows who.

There’s a saying about women being scared of men because they’ll kill them and men being scared of women because they might get laughed at. If applying that saying to the extreme left and right, from what I’ve seen, the women tend to be on the left with the men on the right.

I think you are referring to maybe 0.1% and the far, far right. The same point can equally be said of the Left, but I think the thread is mainly about the majority of left or right, rather than the fringe lunatics. Thanks for being tolerant to my view though, and I appreciate you accidentally reinforcing my points by your aggressive post, which no surprise, points straight to extremism to smear an entire mass group. If I did the same with Muslims and Islam it would rightly be racist and untrue. The same applies to the right.

And your response shows why the right have got a reputation of willfully ignoring actual facts and data. And to be clear, I dont believe every right wing person is that way. But honestly, there's so much data to show that lack of abortion care leads to these outcomes and just telling women to close their legs didn't work to change those outcomes, providing abortion care did. There's SO MUCH documented historical data on this.
But in the interest of understanding your point of view, what would you see as a way forward in this scenario? I'd be grateful if you'd be willing to share. I have tried to research this but have struggled to find anything conclusive.

Abortion care removed.
Poverty and death increases as a result.
You tell people to take responsibility for themselves.
They dont.
Poverty and death continue.
What do you see as being the next step?

[citation needed]

And this post demonstrates just how out of touch the left really is. Responsibility is unfortunately an alien concept to most leftists as if it were something they could understood we wouldn't have any problems.

Apparently if you advocate for people to not kill their babies you are killing women and causing poverty. The mental gymnastics is impressive I must admit.

Left, right we’re all people. Some are kind and loving, some like to “other” people different to them, then attack.

in the modern world in country after country the left are now worse look all around the world.

No. Fascism is a far-right, ultranationalist political ideology and movement that emphasizes extreme loyalty to the nation (often above the individual or other groups) dictatorial leadership, forcible suppression of opposition, and centralised control over society and the economy.
It originated in early 20th century Europe, most notably with Benito Mussolini's regime in Italy, and shares core traits like militarism, a rejection of liberal democracy, and the glorification of a mythical national past or hierarchy.
There's no single, universally agreed-upon definition because it evolved across contexts (e.g., Italian Fascism vs. Nazism, which added explicit racial elements), but its generally accepted that it involves at its core; authoritarianism, nationalism, and anti-egalitarianism.
The idea of fascism as "someone that kills everyone they don’t like" is way way too simplistic, whilst it captures the violent tendencies (like state-sponsored terror against perceived enemies) it misses the ideological framework. Regimes like Mussolini's or Hitler's did use mass violence, genocide, and purges as tools to enforce conformity, but fascism isn't defined by random killing; it's a structured worldview that justifies such acts through appeals to national rebirth, racial or cultural purity, and the leader's infallible will. In short, it's much more of an ideology an aspirational "ideal" for its adherents about remaking society under a strong, unified state than just a personality trait or isolated brutality. That said, in practice, it almost always leads to authoritarian repression and war.
In America Trump has repeatedly called for the cancelling of Kimmel, Colbert and Fallon. From a fascist lens, this could be seen as suppressing oppositional media which is a hallmark of fascist regimes that used state or proxy pressure to silence critics and enforce narrative control. The Trump administration has aggressively pursued policies targeting "woke" or "ideological" materials in public and federal institutions, often framed as protecting "American values" from "indoctrination." They ordered the removal of books from several libraries, like Maya Angelou’s Caged Bird whilst allowing Hitlers Mein Kampf to remain. They threaten universities with defunding, if they feel that it doesn’t align with the ideology. When journalists used the term “gulf of Mexico” and not the approved language of the regime, Trump threatened to cancel any access. These actions don't make the administration fully fascist, but they align with fascist tendencies toward authoritarian control over discourse, especially when paired with ultranationalist rhetoric.
In the UK the flag marches were driven by the far right and whipping up dangerous anti immigrant hatred. Whilst Nazi Germany targeted Jewish people, now it’s the demonising of Muslim people. The protestors were aggressive towards Asian people and also intimidating to women ( singing “get your tits out for the lads”) These type of marches normalise prejudice by associating national symbols with anti-immigrant hostility, making minority communities (Muslims, South Asians) feel unsafe. There were numerous council leaders who reported “intimidating" atmospheres in diverse neighborhoods. I actually feel shame to see my nations flag being used like this, I want to feel proud of my country and I do, to some extent, but events like this sicken me. I understand people are concerned by immigration but behaving as the protesters did was sickening and shameful. These protesters that bang on about protecting “our women” from immigrants but 2 in 5 (40%) arrested in the Farage riots had previous convictions for domestic violence.

Whereas the loving right go after people who made the mistake of having their child killed in a mass shooting at a school. Then they doxx them, call them crisis actors, send them death threats, and say that the worst thing that ever happened in their lives was fake.

This

I think the main problem at the moment, is that the centre left have moved so far to the left, that the silent majority who were in the centre now get categorised as far right. That silent majority are now fed up.

I think the left are worse. They going searching for anyone and everyone who might have made a mistake in their lives, or one they made 20 years ago, and then set about systematically trying to destroy their careers, family etc. a “mistake” can simply be not agreeing with the left wing, virtue signalling brigade. They preach tolerance, but offer zero grace to anyone who strays from their own views.

Speaking only for America: No, sorry, not in any way, shape or form.

The violent rhetoric come mostly, and most viciously, from the right. The true violence comes mostly, and most viciously, from the right.

There's a very interesting story out that the U.S. Department of Justice did a study showing the vast disparity, proving how much worse the right-wingers are ... and the Trump administration removed the information from the website.

people.com/department-of-justice-quietly-deletes-study-after-charlie-kirk-death-that-says-right-wing-extremists-engage-in-far-more-political-violence-11811580

They haven't.

Nah, we're just calling the right out for what they are.
Ignorant, hateful and about to vote the country into ruin.... again.

Frustration is the new politics. We have had 14 years of incompetent Tories. Labour are trying to fix things but they are up against an allmost total right wing press. Right wingers from USA are stirring things up to suit their right wing agenda. Farage is dystopia.

Right wingers love statues.

The trouble is, that when it comes to political murder, it does.

Is it a lack of education? Are we not giving everyone the chance to say what they think? Should there be more debates, with a healthy sprinkling of all ideas in the room? Do we give enough opportunities to speak to those who are less able physically or mentally? Do we ignore the poor? Are meetings with debates too expensive for some to express their views?

Is it lack of education, lack of opportunity, some health problems which stop people who want to be heard from having their say?

Is it those people who are shooting down anyone they don't agree with, or are they being manipulated by a stronger influence, and should we not be looking for that stronger influence rather than settling for the pawns?

Wouldn't a debate between the taxpayer and the non-taxpayer be interesting?

We do know though, don't we? Someone didn't write on the cartridges for nothing.

What is wrong with the world is that there are a class of people who think they can kill anyone they don't agree with. Hitler did that. He was a fascist. The stupid thing about all this is that if you kill people you don't agree with, you end up being a fascist, wanting to rid the world of anyone who holds a different view.

Putin killed his opponents. Erdogan imprisoned thousands of his. Assad killed the people who didn't vote for him by way of a civil war. The Taliban killed everyone they could who did not ascribe to their type of Islam. Iran killed hundreds of women because they didn't wear their clothes in a certain way. Hamas got the IDF to kill of their opposition by invading Israel and taking hundreds of prisoners, knowing that the IDF would go straight in and rescue them. The Hamas fighters (the Hamas government is in exile so it is martial law in Gaza) are using the Palestinians who opposed them in the election as a shield. The thousands of Palestinians who have been killed did not vote for Hamas in the elections. They did what Assad did in Syria.

Those people who for reasons best known to themselves call themselves far left (of what you may ask) are, by killing people (and politicians, because it is a political murder) are actually doing what all those have done, and what Hitler did, which makes them the only people who can be labelled fascist, only they don't realise it. Perhaps when they do, they will stop using it.