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Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers

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secureyourbook · 17/09/2025 16:10

I’ve seen so many people this last week who see themselves as such “right on” virtuous people posting the most horrible things on social media.

One replied to a post about Charlie Kirk, it was basically a “sorry not sorry” post because he’s so hateful. When asked by someone if she’s actually seen any of his debates she said she didn’t need to, the facts are there that he was basically a fascist who incites violence. FWIW I’ve watched several of his videos since seeing her post today and seen nothing that suggests this, even though I don’t agree with his opinion on many things (but apparently he’s doing it in code, whatever that means)

Another friend was ranting about the protest in London and using really horrible terms to describe people that went. I hate what the flags have come to represent, and I don’t doubt that there were many thugs there just wanting to stir up hate. Surely though, describing all who went to the protest as the same (basically they’re all thick as shit racist hooligans) is no better than someone describing all immigrants as benefit chasing potential rapists (or insert any other racist stereotype)

Am I missing something? Or is it considered acceptable to make sweeping generalisations as long as you’re on the left side of the political spectrum?

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Alicealig · 19/09/2025 15:38

Nagginthenag · 19/09/2025 14:42

'No one celebrated the death of George Floyd despite the fact he was a reprehensible individual.'

https://www.adl.org/resources/article/bigots-and-white-supremacists-celebrate-anniversary-george-floyds-murder

Kirk's past remarks About Floyd
In the aftermath of Floyd's death, Charlie Kirk made several controversial remarks that have resurfaced following his own death. Kirk referred to Floyd as a "scumbag" during a 2021 event, a comment that was widely criticised. He also suggested that Floyd died from a drug overdose and promoted disputed claims about the medical examiner's findings.

OK I'm not celebrating his death, that's never positive, but unrelated to his death it's difficult to describe him as anything other than a drug addicted violent criminal. That's who he was! I'm not glad he died as there's no celebration linked to the right wing at all!!

Nagginthenag · 19/09/2025 14:42

'No one celebrated the death of George Floyd despite the fact he was a reprehensible individual.'

https://www.adl.org/resources/article/bigots-and-white-supremacists-celebrate-anniversary-george-floyds-murder

Kirk's past remarks About Floyd
In the aftermath of Floyd's death, Charlie Kirk made several controversial remarks that have resurfaced following his own death. Kirk referred to Floyd as a "scumbag" during a 2021 event, a comment that was widely criticised. He also suggested that Floyd died from a drug overdose and promoted disputed claims about the medical examiner's findings.

Absentosaur · 19/09/2025 14:39

The Labour Party at the moment especially, are awful. They’ve always been sexist and misogynistic. See link a couple of years old but it shows us what nasty people the current Labour Party includes. Though thankfully LRM has long gone now.

https://unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

The Labour Party has a woman problem

I know how it feels to be in an abusive relationship

https://unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

llizzie · 19/09/2025 14:34

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 08:20

No. Fascism is a far-right, ultranationalist political ideology and movement that emphasizes extreme loyalty to the nation (often above the individual or other groups) dictatorial leadership, forcible suppression of opposition, and centralised control over society and the economy.
It originated in early 20th century Europe, most notably with Benito Mussolini's regime in Italy, and shares core traits like militarism, a rejection of liberal democracy, and the glorification of a mythical national past or hierarchy.
There's no single, universally agreed-upon definition because it evolved across contexts (e.g., Italian Fascism vs. Nazism, which added explicit racial elements), but its generally accepted that it involves at its core; authoritarianism, nationalism, and anti-egalitarianism.
The idea of fascism as "someone that kills everyone they don’t like" is way way too simplistic, whilst it captures the violent tendencies (like state-sponsored terror against perceived enemies) it misses the ideological framework. Regimes like Mussolini's or Hitler's did use mass violence, genocide, and purges as tools to enforce conformity, but fascism isn't defined by random killing; it's a structured worldview that justifies such acts through appeals to national rebirth, racial or cultural purity, and the leader's infallible will. In short, it's much more of an ideology an aspirational "ideal" for its adherents about remaking society under a strong, unified state than just a personality trait or isolated brutality. That said, in practice, it almost always leads to authoritarian repression and war.
In America Trump has repeatedly called for the cancelling of Kimmel, Colbert and Fallon. From a fascist lens, this could be seen as suppressing oppositional media which is a hallmark of fascist regimes that used state or proxy pressure to silence critics and enforce narrative control. The Trump administration has aggressively pursued policies targeting "woke" or "ideological" materials in public and federal institutions, often framed as protecting "American values" from "indoctrination." They ordered the removal of books from several libraries, like Maya Angelou’s Caged Bird whilst allowing Hitlers Mein Kampf to remain. They threaten universities with defunding, if they feel that it doesn’t align with the ideology. When journalists used the term “gulf of Mexico” and not the approved language of the regime, Trump threatened to cancel any access. These actions don't make the administration fully fascist, but they align with fascist tendencies toward authoritarian control over discourse, especially when paired with ultranationalist rhetoric.
In the UK the flag marches were driven by the far right and whipping up dangerous anti immigrant hatred. Whilst Nazi Germany targeted Jewish people, now it’s the demonising of Muslim people. The protestors were aggressive towards Asian people and also intimidating to women ( singing “get your tits out for the lads”) These type of marches normalise prejudice by associating national symbols with anti-immigrant hostility, making minority communities (Muslims, South Asians) feel unsafe. There were numerous council leaders who reported “intimidating" atmospheres in diverse neighborhoods. I actually feel shame to see my nations flag being used like this, I want to feel proud of my country and I do, to some extent, but events like this sicken me. I understand people are concerned by immigration but behaving as the protesters did was sickening and shameful. These protesters that bang on about protecting “our women” from immigrants but 2 in 5 (40%) arrested in the Farage riots had previous convictions for domestic violence.

You are wrong. You are inciting violence if you say that anyone loyal to their country is as evil as Hitler and Mussolini.

They lost. The word only describes them. It is wicked to ascribe the same to people who love their country.

You are wrong. If anyone is making minorities feel unsafe it is you. Minorities do not have to come to Britain. If they feel unsafe it is more the fault of people like you who are telling them they should be unsafe because they are vulnerable to an ideology which does not exist in the west.

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 14:33

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 19/09/2025 14:23

Wow. That's one of the most blatant downplaying of Jan 6 violence I've seen for a while. But we've all seen the video. And I note you are completely ignoring the other instances of right-wing violence I listed.

Is Disingenuous your middle name or something?

And no, no one is saying there are no instances of individuals committing political violence. This is about the rhetoric and reality of systemic violence and political discourse.

No one celebrated the death of George Floyd despite the fact he was a reprehensible individual. You have to go no further that this very forum to find a general sense of glee amongst left wing members over the death of a well loved Christian family man with zero criminal past and a charitable life and outlook. It doesn't compare. Come on at least have the decency to concede that the two aren't comparable

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 14:28

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 19/09/2025 14:23

Wow. That's one of the most blatant downplaying of Jan 6 violence I've seen for a while. But we've all seen the video. And I note you are completely ignoring the other instances of right-wing violence I listed.

Is Disingenuous your middle name or something?

That's the problem, the video is the worst of it and misses to show all the peaceful protesters that made up most of the crowd.
It's not comparable to BLM riots and you know it.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 19/09/2025 14:23

Wow. That's one of the most blatant downplaying of Jan 6 violence I've seen for a while. But we've all seen the video. And I note you are completely ignoring the other instances of right-wing violence I listed.

Is Disingenuous your middle name or something?

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 14:20

Political left Not Right ^

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 14:19

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 19/09/2025 12:51

What about January 6? Right wingers running amok, or was it all faked by Antifa? The Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville? The Texas mall shooting? The boogaloo shootings? All the attacks on Planned Parenthood sites and staff? The armed takeover of the Malheur wildlife refuge? Oklahoma City? The Pittsburgh synagogue attack?

Jan 6th a few rightbwing guys running around a building, violence was absolutely minimal. BLM riots was night upon night of fear and terrorism with billions of pounds of damage to private property and numerous deaths. That was for the death of 1 man. A misogynist criminal drug addict. Whether it was a murder or not is even questionable.

Charlie Kirk, a much loved one of the biggest commentators on the right is executed, shot in the neck in cold blood in front of his wife and 2 young children. Wheres the violence? Where's the calls to violence? Where is violence brewing? It's not. Violence isn't the language of the political right.

I think these two events in most recent history speaks volumes.

Husbandpreparedtobeflamed · 19/09/2025 14:09

I'm sorry, but anyone who says "leftist" I cannot take seriously. Do people on the left ever say Rightist - no, it would be a nonsense. To my mind, leftist, is shorthand for Trump/MAGA/Fromage ideas...

Wooky073 · 19/09/2025 13:50

the media are controlled by the rich and powerful including social media. So what you see on there is all stirred up by them - and influenced by their mates - other rich and powerful men (mainly). Its all about power and influence. There is a lot online denegrating 'the left' or 'the democrats' and its all about influencing the public. Most of whats online isnt credible or true anyway. There is evidence (apparently) that the russians have been disrupting and planning to destabilise the west for decades - their years of work are now coming to fruition. Those in power stir up division and hate and blame it on specific groups or sections of society. Its happened before and will happen again. But it is getting quite dangerous - ie moving slowly towards patterns seen in the nazi uprising - not there yet but we are going along similar lines. What with Kimmel being taken off the air with his TV show as he is a trump critic and more on the list to be targeted - because trump has his man in post as regulator of the media in the USA. This is how the slide towards autocracy (and away from democracy) works. So dont believe what you read, hear or see online about the left or the right - its is most likely untrue and a manipulation by those with an agenda.

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 13:24

LarkspurLane · 19/09/2025 12:24

I'm left wing and I have never done any of that. Can you give some specific examples?
There are bad eggs on both sides of the divide, doing some awful things, especially closer to the far left/far right fringes.

What does being right wing mean to you? What are some good things about it in your view?

I think I’m actually centre - great questions btw and what the country needs: sensible dialogue. I’m pro welfare, immigration, sensible taxation, environment, NHS etc. however, my “right” comes from my belief of pragmatism - welfare in its current form is not affordable (non working households should not be able “stack” different benefit claims to earn more than working people and things like PIP for disability should be means tested). NHS needs reform not more money - I’d be in favour of charging a small fee to access services for higher earners etc: £25? each visit to deter those people who go with a cold or sore throat 20 times a year etc or those who don’t show up and miss appointments), I’d increase immigration of families to support social care and specialist jobs where we have shortages, but come down super hard on illegal migration, France is not dangerous, nor Italy or Greece where all these boat people would have passed through. Taxes: I would keep taxes progressive but would not tax for ideological purpose's: eg. 45p for top rate income is proven to raise less overall tax revenue. I’d love to tax 50p above a certain rate but would care more about total receipt of taxes above my own personal ideologies, don’t is not possible - left don’t do that. Environment:- I’d exploit North Sea oil and gas as much, and for as long as possible, and use all the income to build green infrastructure so that consumers don’t subsidise the cost, while we still buy in oil and gas from elsewhere but pretend to be green ( again, practicality ahead of ideology). I would also try and foster belief and pride in our history at schools. This is important to achieve cohesive society in the long term - a common bond amongst diversity. In short though, I would put the quality of outcome ahead of the idea, even if it went against my principles. That in my mind sums up the difference between the left and right: outcome for society is more important than the way it’s achieved. I would love to hear your thoughts in return please.

Beeinalily · 19/09/2025 13:17

A lot of the left wing have shown exactly how vile they are now. There's no going back

Justwrong68 · 19/09/2025 13:06

You’re bang on! The stereotypes are through the roof! If you’re GC you’re a pearl clutching, rightwing Karen, regardless of your whole political profile. There’s a woman on TikTok saying that if you “want your country back” you should do some voluntary work in your community; and it’s done in a lengthy, gotcha, playing to the crowd style, using the assumption that they’re talking about just the one gammon keyboard warrior.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 19/09/2025 12:51

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 12:40

There has been a study done on that particular paper and its simoky wrong as it counted all the BLM riots and most of the leftist violence as no political when it was. I'm sorry but this isn't really debatable. Political violence is a trademark almost exclusively for the left.

What about January 6? Right wingers running amok, or was it all faked by Antifa? The Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville? The Texas mall shooting? The boogaloo shootings? All the attacks on Planned Parenthood sites and staff? The armed takeover of the Malheur wildlife refuge? Oklahoma City? The Pittsburgh synagogue attack?

StrongLikeMamma · 19/09/2025 12:51

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 12:32

What? Inequality will exist in any society, there isn't someone sitting in a big chair gleening to themselves because they mange to keep a divide between rich and poor.
Bless you, I hadn't realised why leftists think how they do but some really just haven't been given a basic education when it comes to understanding demographics.

I was horrified at the idea at first but I've actually given it some careful thought and I think we actually could benefit if we only allowed families to vote. 1 vote per household per married couple. We are in trouble.

So you think inequality is fine then and not something that we should as a society be trying to reduce?

yep - the right certainly deserve their reputation as massive cunts.

Donsyb · 19/09/2025 12:43

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 12:32

What? Inequality will exist in any society, there isn't someone sitting in a big chair gleening to themselves because they mange to keep a divide between rich and poor.
Bless you, I hadn't realised why leftists think how they do but some really just haven't been given a basic education when it comes to understanding demographics.

I was horrified at the idea at first but I've actually given it some careful thought and I think we actually could benefit if we only allowed families to vote. 1 vote per household per married couple. We are in trouble.

That’s a horrific idea! So only married couple count in your world, and single people be damned?!

Also you are aware some married couples don’t even agree on who to vote for? But you want them to “share” a vote.

Donsyb · 19/09/2025 12:41

hamstersarse · 17/09/2025 17:57

Quite! The left is now the elite. And they use the poor, not believe in the poor. It's a very different thing.

Look at the democrats in the US, compared to the general Trump demographic.

And you don’t think the right use the poor as much, if not more? What exactly do you think Nigel Farage is doing?

Also I don’t get what point you’re trying to make saying compare democrats to Trumps demographic?

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 12:40

MsAmerica · 19/09/2025 02:36

Speaking only for America: No, sorry, not in any way, shape or form.

The violent rhetoric come mostly, and most viciously, from the right. The true violence comes mostly, and most viciously, from the right.

There's a very interesting story out that the U.S. Department of Justice did a study showing the vast disparity, proving how much worse the right-wingers are ... and the Trump administration removed the information from the website.

people.com/department-of-justice-quietly-deletes-study-after-charlie-kirk-death-that-says-right-wing-extremists-engage-in-far-more-political-violence-11811580

There has been a study done on that particular paper and its simoky wrong as it counted all the BLM riots and most of the leftist violence as no political when it was. I'm sorry but this isn't really debatable. Political violence is a trademark almost exclusively for the left.

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 12:32

StrongLikeMamma · 19/09/2025 12:24

Hmm except being racist and violent whilst wanting to maintain the divide between the rich and the poor people of our country seems pretty fucking “bad”.
You can’t really be a massive wanker then expect everyone to think you’re lovely 🤷🏻‍♀️

What? Inequality will exist in any society, there isn't someone sitting in a big chair gleening to themselves because they mange to keep a divide between rich and poor.
Bless you, I hadn't realised why leftists think how they do but some really just haven't been given a basic education when it comes to understanding demographics.

I was horrified at the idea at first but I've actually given it some careful thought and I think we actually could benefit if we only allowed families to vote. 1 vote per household per married couple. We are in trouble.

StrongLikeMamma · 19/09/2025 12:27

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 09:22

And this post demonstrates just how out of touch the left really is. Responsibility is unfortunately an alien concept to most leftists as if it were something they could understood we wouldn't have any problems.

Apparently if you advocate for people to not kill their babies you are killing women and causing poverty. The mental gymnastics is impressive I must admit.

@Thundertoastis being realistic though.

StrongLikeMamma · 19/09/2025 12:24

charliehungerford · 19/09/2025 11:07

I don’t think it’s as black and white as that. I know plenty of right leaning people who volunteer in various organisations and groups, helping in their communities and giving a huge amount of their time for free. I also know quite a few left wing people who moan a lot about local services but do nothing to help, despite being retired and having time to get involved. We really need to move away from this left wing = good, right wing = bad, there are decent people and idiots on both sides of the political divide.

Hmm except being racist and violent whilst wanting to maintain the divide between the rich and the poor people of our country seems pretty fucking “bad”.
You can’t really be a massive wanker then expect everyone to think you’re lovely 🤷🏻‍♀️

LarkspurLane · 19/09/2025 12:24

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 06:27

I think the left are worse. They going searching for anyone and everyone who might have made a mistake in their lives, or one they made 20 years ago, and then set about systematically trying to destroy their careers, family etc. a “mistake” can simply be not agreeing with the left wing, virtue signalling brigade. They preach tolerance, but offer zero grace to anyone who strays from their own views.

I'm left wing and I have never done any of that. Can you give some specific examples?
There are bad eggs on both sides of the divide, doing some awful things, especially closer to the far left/far right fringes.

What does being right wing mean to you? What are some good things about it in your view?

TooTooMuchEverything · 19/09/2025 12:13

I have been reading the latest news and opinions for the past 2 hours and I can say, without hesitation, that the left were correct about one thing for sure. The right to free speech in America is dying. It’s being killed off by a Trump government. It was always the plan.

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