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Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers

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secureyourbook · 17/09/2025 16:10

I’ve seen so many people this last week who see themselves as such “right on” virtuous people posting the most horrible things on social media.

One replied to a post about Charlie Kirk, it was basically a “sorry not sorry” post because he’s so hateful. When asked by someone if she’s actually seen any of his debates she said she didn’t need to, the facts are there that he was basically a fascist who incites violence. FWIW I’ve watched several of his videos since seeing her post today and seen nothing that suggests this, even though I don’t agree with his opinion on many things (but apparently he’s doing it in code, whatever that means)

Another friend was ranting about the protest in London and using really horrible terms to describe people that went. I hate what the flags have come to represent, and I don’t doubt that there were many thugs there just wanting to stir up hate. Surely though, describing all who went to the protest as the same (basically they’re all thick as shit racist hooligans) is no better than someone describing all immigrants as benefit chasing potential rapists (or insert any other racist stereotype)

Am I missing something? Or is it considered acceptable to make sweeping generalisations as long as you’re on the left side of the political spectrum?

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gregaliara · 20/09/2025 02:52

They were all socialists

llizzie · 20/09/2025 02:51

If all the accusations on here were true, the politicians you hate would have gone long ago by the sheer weight of evidence.

I don't know how the Democrats can get rid of Trump. It seems he can do anything he likes. Obviously if the Americans didn't like him, they should have changed the rules of government in the Constitution which allows him autonomy, or at least stand up and say what part of the Constitution he is breaking, if he is.

Until then, they will have to wait until the next election, because one of his faults is that he will not listen to anyone but himself. What does he dream about I wonder?

In UK the electorate are influenced by good things on offer. The majority of seats were won by the labour party by deceit and the first past the post system of voting we have in UK. What has happened since shows a disappointed and disillusioned electorate. Posters on here think it is just the opposition voters. It is not. Labour voters are reacting against the government of their choosing by voting elsewhere in local elections or not at all.

The PM is repeatedly showing that he is not fit to govern. He appoints people to positions of trust who cannot be trusted. He overrides the channels he is supposed to consult before appointing friends. He has taken bribes - freebies - from supporters who will call in the card sooner or later, which makes the country uneasy.

The British balance of payments is crumbling further and further. Government spending is such that it exceeds income. Everyone surely known what happens when they spend more than their income. No country should have to put up with a government which does that. How far leftism and rightism comes into the equation is really in the minds of people who just don't like to see what is happening now. The labour government waves as many union flags as anyone else. The fundamentalists among them probably wave whatever flag gives them the most friends or votes.

I have not heard anyone from any party say they want to kill minorities. I have not heard anyone in the government say they 'welcome all alien migrants' either. In fact, the PM insists he is doing his level best to get rid of the problem and send them back whence they come. He stands with the union flag: does that make him on a par with what is euphemistically described on here as 'fascist' or is that title reserved for anyone who isn't the mouthpiece of extremism?

The UN building has the flags of all nations displayed. They represent the countries and the nationalist members they come from.

Waving the national flag is a sense of pride. It is not to be taken as a sign of anything other than allegiance to the Crown. Every British citizen has the right to show the union flag - the right way up of course. Every Englishman/person has the right to show pride in the English flag of St. George, just as every Scot has a right to show the flag of St. Andrew, and the Welsh, the dragon.

It is their right. This is a Christian country and we have flags honouring our Saints. I suspect that those who are against the displaying of our flags are more against Christianity than nationalism, only people cannot say that, can they, because that would be attacking an ancient religion, so instead the unbelievers make up words like 'fascist' 'left wing' 'right wing' because they sound better to them than ''Down with Christianity''.

I am sure all yous can hardly wait to condemn that. Do I care? Who are you to rail against Britain? Who are you to rail against my faith? Who are you to say that British nationals, British Christians, are killing muslims?

Our Government system has no place for misguided idiots who rail and rant against British way of life. It cannot be changed as easily as you think, no matter how many insults you sling. MPs of all colours and creeds still have to declare loyalty to the Crown, which itself swears an oath to Defend the Anglican Faith. The King can only tolerate other faiths. He cannot be crowned unless he vows to the Christian faith of the Anglican Church.

All your rantings and ravings cannot change that.

The Opposition parties are there to debate against the Government. That is their position. If His Majesty's Loyal Opposition were not there Britain would not be a democracy. It is the duty of the Opposition to bring down the Government. That is their function. They have a duty to the electorate to do that, and to ensure that the government of the day is acting according to the laws.

If we don't like the government, as opposed to their doing something wrong, we can vote them out at the next election.

MasterPlaster · 20/09/2025 00:08

llizzie · 20/09/2025 00:05

I am in the UK. I was thinking of my own location where the library was demolished and the bookshop only sells new books.

Fewer people read books. If more read books they would not be available so cheaply. It was not my intention to imply that libraries sold books. What I meant to say was that people read less books and do not go to the library as much.

Charity shops can be very choosy about the books they accept.

I must write out 500 times: ''you must address a subject properly and not expect all to know what you mean.''

Oh got it, I’m guilty of that at times too!

llizzie · 20/09/2025 00:05

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 20:32

Buying books in libraries isn’t really the common expected usage. However, in the US, usage of libraries is bouncing back somewhat from pandemic times. They continue to be important within communities to allow access to books, magazines, internet and computer access along with community meeting spaces. Those are all good things, no?

I am in the UK. I was thinking of my own location where the library was demolished and the bookshop only sells new books.

Fewer people read books. If more read books they would not be available so cheaply. It was not my intention to imply that libraries sold books. What I meant to say was that people read less books and do not go to the library as much.

Charity shops can be very choosy about the books they accept.

I must write out 500 times: ''you must address a subject properly and not expect all to know what you mean.''

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 23:21

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 19/09/2025 23:12

He's a rapist. He was convicted of it. Yeah, of course people judge anyone who says they like him. He's been convicted of over 30 felonies.

My fundamental objection to Trump and his allies, is that they tried to overthrow democracy in 2020 (and, I suspect, worse is to come on that front).

Living in a democracy means that, a lot of the time, you'll be ruled by governments you profoundly object to. If Trump was "only" the politician whose platform I liked the least, I could tolerate support for him more. The fact that if he (and folks like Kirk) got/get their way, would mean and end to democracy in the US itself, is intolerable.

That his supporters then have the nerve to present themselves as free speech defenders and alike, and against political violence, is offensive to anyone with a basic understanding of democratic principles.

And yes, he's also been a resounding failure at policy level and is a truly pathetic and disgusting man.

I have little doubt he is a child rapist.

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 23:18

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 19/09/2025 23:12

He's a rapist. He was convicted of it. Yeah, of course people judge anyone who says they like him. He's been convicted of over 30 felonies.

To be fair, they couldn’t quite get him on rape but a civil case for sexual assault but we’re talking about the guy that puts it out there in plain sight with his ‘grab her by the pussies talk’ and partying with Epstein. So yeah - I judge anyone that supports him, I mean WTF, of course I do!

MsAmerica · 19/09/2025 23:18

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 21:45

In the US, about 95% of political violence and political killings, as between the left and the right, come from the right.

Anyone who tries to pretend political violence is a left wing phenomenon is a liar, plain and simple.

Thank you so much, @ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit. Great illustration.

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 23:16

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/09/2025 23:07

Left wingers love wind farms.
Right wingers love Elon Musk.

Left wingers love wind farms.
Right wingers love Elon Musk.
Left wingers don’t grease palms
Right wingers don’t street busk

Left wingers hate hanging flags
Right wingers like Farage

Can we continue? 😆

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 19/09/2025 23:12

hamstersarse · 17/09/2025 16:27

The thing that makes the left worse is their hypocrisy

They preach and virtue signal, then when it comes to it, they are just nasty

A test you can do for yourself on this is to say to people you support Trump, or even that you "don't mind Trump". Just see what awful nastiness you receive.

I was on the left for most of my life but I grew up and the right weren't particularly nasty about that - more piss taking, But WOW, the moment you say you support conservative values, you won't believe what happens. People won't talk to you, call you all sorts of insults - it is unbelievable.

It is also why there is a 'silent majority' - a well known phenomenon that people on the right stay quiet as it is the left that are the awful nasty and vicious lot

He's a rapist. He was convicted of it. Yeah, of course people judge anyone who says they like him. He's been convicted of over 30 felonies.

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/09/2025 23:07

Left wingers love wind farms.
Right wingers love Elon Musk.

Plastictreees · 19/09/2025 21:47

MsAmerica · 19/09/2025 21:30

I'm sorry, but since you provide no specifics, I'm skeptical about the "study" you cite.

I'm even more skeptical because I've run across a lot of things termed "BLM riots" that are nothing of the sort - not to mention all the Trumpy wild exaggerations, such as saying Dem rioters burned a city to the ground.

And, on top of of that, I'm even more skeptical that you seem to conflate supposed "riots" which have been the natural result of too many people in a combustible situation with violence and violent rhetoric which is very specifically targeted.
This includes some actual transcripts of calls to a Dem New York mayoral candidate, threats from Texas, on the other side of the country:
TEXAS MAN CHARGED WITH MAKING TERRORISTIC THREATS AS A HATE CRIME AGAINST NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY MEMBER AND MAYORAL CANDIDATE - OFFICE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY QUEENS COUNTY

So, sorry, I'm not giving your idea much credence.

Probably for the best.

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 21:46

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 21:45

In the US, about 95% of political violence and political killings, as between the left and the right, come from the right.

Anyone who tries to pretend political violence is a left wing phenomenon is a liar, plain and simple.

Or gullible and brainwashed enough to believe a liar.

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 21:45

In the US, about 95% of political violence and political killings, as between the left and the right, come from the right.

Anyone who tries to pretend political violence is a left wing phenomenon is a liar, plain and simple.

Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers
Hiddenmnetter · 19/09/2025 21:34

I agree OP. The breakdown of the recognition of common ground is the breakdown of our political discourse. Any origin of discourse that begins by emphasising the differences is only going to degenerate rapidly.

MsAmerica · 19/09/2025 21:30

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 12:40

There has been a study done on that particular paper and its simoky wrong as it counted all the BLM riots and most of the leftist violence as no political when it was. I'm sorry but this isn't really debatable. Political violence is a trademark almost exclusively for the left.

I'm sorry, but since you provide no specifics, I'm skeptical about the "study" you cite.

I'm even more skeptical because I've run across a lot of things termed "BLM riots" that are nothing of the sort - not to mention all the Trumpy wild exaggerations, such as saying Dem rioters burned a city to the ground.

And, on top of of that, I'm even more skeptical that you seem to conflate supposed "riots" which have been the natural result of too many people in a combustible situation with violence and violent rhetoric which is very specifically targeted.
This includes some actual transcripts of calls to a Dem New York mayoral candidate, threats from Texas, on the other side of the country:
TEXAS MAN CHARGED WITH MAKING TERRORISTIC THREATS AS A HATE CRIME AGAINST NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY MEMBER AND MAYORAL CANDIDATE - OFFICE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY QUEENS COUNTY

So, sorry, I'm not giving your idea much credence.

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 21:07

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 21:02

But that’s the difference between left and right, I see shades of grey and you see absolutes and fixed ideologies
Do you ever take the time to dwell on what you've written?

Edit to add, its also pretty wild that you'd label Mandelson a "paedo lover" without acknowledging that Trump himself was extremely close to Epstien, that there is significant evidence that Trump raped at least one child, and may even have been actively involved in sex trafficking.

Edited

Wait, wait! I’m sure I know the answer to this, I have it on the tip of my tongue!

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 21:02

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 20:17

You put 77m Americans in the camp of extreme right because they voted for Trump!? His conviction was for tax offences no worse than Angela Reyner’s, and his offences against women, grave as they were, are likely far less than our former pedo loving US ambassador- who is life long Labour Party royalty. I’m no fan of Trump but I don’t regard all his supporters as far right nutters, just the fringe. I also see that despite the mistakes both Reyner and Mandelson made, both probably cared about UK and wanted to do the best for the country, although given their mistakes they needed to leave office. But that’s the difference between left and right, I see shades of grey and you see absolutes and fixed ideologies. Trump must = right wing crazy. That’s why the left are always so angry about everything - it must suck.

But that’s the difference between left and right, I see shades of grey and you see absolutes and fixed ideologies
Do you ever take the time to dwell on what you've written?

Edit to add, its also pretty wild that you'd label Mandelson a "paedo lover" without acknowledging that Trump himself was extremely close to Epstien, that there is significant evidence that Trump raped at least one child, and may even have been actively involved in sex trafficking.

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 19/09/2025 20:59

People who understand what Trump's doing and support him are not all right wing extremists. Many are just low-information dupes.

See, for example, how many people seem to think Charlie Kirk was a defender of free speech when, to people who actually pay attention to the news, he was a fascist authoritarian who actively participated in an attempt to overthrow democracy.

I actually believe that many people genuinely believe the "free speech warrior" lie. They aren't extremists, just ingorant.

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 20:41

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 20:17

You put 77m Americans in the camp of extreme right because they voted for Trump!? His conviction was for tax offences no worse than Angela Reyner’s, and his offences against women, grave as they were, are likely far less than our former pedo loving US ambassador- who is life long Labour Party royalty. I’m no fan of Trump but I don’t regard all his supporters as far right nutters, just the fringe. I also see that despite the mistakes both Reyner and Mandelson made, both probably cared about UK and wanted to do the best for the country, although given their mistakes they needed to leave office. But that’s the difference between left and right, I see shades of grey and you see absolutes and fixed ideologies. Trump must = right wing crazy. That’s why the left are always so angry about everything - it must suck.

Haha, Fixed ideologies. Which ones? Please share. I think I must’ve lost them down the back of the sofa.

But while we’re waiting… oh, yes, you needed the distinction that it was a civil case in which he was convicted of sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll? Also, no worries on those financial crimes? 34 felon counts of falsifying business records to cover up a payment made during the 2016 election to hush a campaign impacting story? Great guy! He should be president!

No worries on the mounting Epstein evidence too, and that stuff he said about grabbing women by the pussies, whether they like it or not, let’s vote him in a second time!

On those 77 million that voted for him. Of course, there’s no simple answer, from poor and uneducated people that thought a billionaire convict had their interests at heart to brainwashed social media victims to religious zealots to people that just don’t give a shit about anyone else to far right extremists to… oh yeah… the extremely rich who could not give a shit about anyone else.

Sorry, I’m still not sure, are you saying because 77 million people voted for him, he can’t be that bad?

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 20:32

llizzie · 19/09/2025 19:16

....and a lot of books are being removed and libraries closed because no one buys them.

Buying books in libraries isn’t really the common expected usage. However, in the US, usage of libraries is bouncing back somewhat from pandemic times. They continue to be important within communities to allow access to books, magazines, internet and computer access along with community meeting spaces. Those are all good things, no?

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 20:17

MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 19:57

If the cap fits. But I’m open to hear a different spin on what supporting a convicted felon and sexual assaulter means?

You put 77m Americans in the camp of extreme right because they voted for Trump!? His conviction was for tax offences no worse than Angela Reyner’s, and his offences against women, grave as they were, are likely far less than our former pedo loving US ambassador- who is life long Labour Party royalty. I’m no fan of Trump but I don’t regard all his supporters as far right nutters, just the fringe. I also see that despite the mistakes both Reyner and Mandelson made, both probably cared about UK and wanted to do the best for the country, although given their mistakes they needed to leave office. But that’s the difference between left and right, I see shades of grey and you see absolutes and fixed ideologies. Trump must = right wing crazy. That’s why the left are always so angry about everything - it must suck.

Circularmadness · 19/09/2025 19:58

llizzie · 19/09/2025 19:16

....and a lot of books are being removed and libraries closed because no one buys them.

  • Eh? No. The Trump administration ordered books to be removed that don’t align with their regime. The case I was referring to was an academic library where they removed books discussing the history of feminism and civil rights, texts examining the Holocaust and Holocaust memorials and Maya Angelou's autobiography, I know why the caged bird sings. This has also happened to thousands of children in schools who had their access to library books dealing with race and gender barred under a sweeping review ordered by the Trump administration. It’s straight up censorship.
MasterPlaster · 19/09/2025 19:57

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 19:48

Ah you have got me there - all Trump supporters are right wing extremists 😂

If the cap fits. But I’m open to hear a different spin on what supporting a convicted felon and sexual assaulter means?

Sally20099 · 19/09/2025 19:48

Ah you have got me there - all Trump supporters are right wing extremists 😂

taxguru · 19/09/2025 19:20

I've a policy of ignoring/not engaging with extremes, whether political, religious, or anything else really. I only deal with "middle of the road" people who are usually a lot more balanced, even though some are more left/right wing than others. Basically I prefer dealing with "Mondeo Man" as coined by Blair!