Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers

One of your ‘tolerant left’ just put a bullet through a young mans neck. In front of his wife and children. Have a word with yourself.

Left, right we’re all people. Some are kind and loving, some like to “other” people different to them, then attack.

ISIS's tactics and ideology align more closely with religious extremism than fascist totalitarianism.
You misunderstand fascism. Here is the sign from the US Holocaust memorial museum to help you understand what it actually is

Is it absurd though? It was a suggestion I made, because groups like ISIS, Boko Haram , Islamic Jihad have in the past given that as a reason for their killing people.

You are very defensive of islam. That does not mean it is right for you to defend Islamic extremists. They are no respecter of persons. They will kill muslim and Christian alike if it suits their purpose. Boko Haram have started border raids and kidnapping young girls for their harems. Assad killed muslims, Iran kills muslims, Taliban kills muslims. If British muslims are being threatened, then it is more likely they are killed by other muslims and atheists than Christians.

Be sure that when you are defending muslims, you are defending the right muslims and not those under the spell of violent leaders.

I didn’t say “Britons killing Muslims”? The fact that you brought ISIS into this thread is evidence in and of itself that Muslims are being targeted, otherwise why bring it up? Do you think Islam indistinguishable to ISIS?
And honestly no, me (or anyone else) who SAYS that Muslims are being targeted is not why ISIS is threatening Britain 😂😂 frankly that’s absurd. The UK’s role in the Gaza conflict (or indeed the ACTIONS of the far right towards Muslims are) is far more likely to exacerbate tensions than me calling them out!

I didn’t say “Britons killing Muslims”? The fact that you brought ISIS into this thread is evidence in and of itself that Muslims are being targeted, otherwise why bring it up? Do you think Islam indistinguishable to ISIS?
And honestly no, me (or anyone else) who SAYS that Muslims are being targeted is not why ISIS is threatening Britain 😂😂 frankly that’s absurd. The UK’s role in the Gaza conflict (or indeed the ACTIONS of the far right towards Muslims are) is far more likely to exacerbate tensions than me calling them out!

Yes ISIS shares totalitarian traits like oppression of women, rejection of democracy and use of propaganda and violence.
However it's fundamentally a theocratic movement driven by faith-based hatred, not nationalism. Calling it religious extremism or jihadist terrorism is more accurate and helps understand how to fight it.
Fascism tends to orientate around a cult of personality, around a leader often incorporating elements like corporatism and racial nationalism. ISIS, by contrast, rejects modern nation-states in favour of a borderless caliphate governed by a strict interpretation of Islamic law. Their violence is framed through religious eschatology.
They do have similar traits but Religious crusaders like Isis, although brutal and authoritarian, are not fascists. They base their claim to superiority on access to divine revelation rather than ethnic or national identity. Isis welcomes converts, unlike the Nazis, who did not allow Jews to escape death camps by joining them.
I would argue that both movements are deeply concerning. I’m not quite sure why ISIS was brought into this thread unless to pivot to an anti Muslim sentiment.

Don't you think that phrases like ''demonising muslims' and 'Britons killing muslims' might be why the ISIS leader has threatened Britain?

You have no evidence of that, just stirring up the pot.

ISIS's tactics and ideology align more closely with religious extremism than fascist totalitarianism.
You misunderstand fascism. Here is the sign from the US Holocaust memorial museum to help you understand what it actually is

I agree. They are brainwashed and parrot their ideology without thinking.

No. Fascism is a far-right, ultranationalist political ideology and movement that emphasizes extreme loyalty to the nation (often above the individual or other groups) dictatorial leadership, forcible suppression of opposition, and centralised control over society and the economy.
It originated in early 20th century Europe, most notably with Benito Mussolini's regime in Italy, and shares core traits like militarism, a rejection of liberal democracy, and the glorification of a mythical national past or hierarchy.
There's no single, universally agreed-upon definition because it evolved across contexts (e.g., Italian Fascism vs. Nazism, which added explicit racial elements), but its generally accepted that it involves at its core; authoritarianism, nationalism, and anti-egalitarianism.
The idea of fascism as "someone that kills everyone they don’t like" is way way too simplistic, whilst it captures the violent tendencies (like state-sponsored terror against perceived enemies) it misses the ideological framework. Regimes like Mussolini's or Hitler's did use mass violence, genocide, and purges as tools to enforce conformity, but fascism isn't defined by random killing; it's a structured worldview that justifies such acts through appeals to national rebirth, racial or cultural purity, and the leader's infallible will. In short, it's much more of an ideology an aspirational "ideal" for its adherents about remaking society under a strong, unified state than just a personality trait or isolated brutality. That said, in practice, it almost always leads to authoritarian repression and war.
In America Trump has repeatedly called for the cancelling of Kimmel, Colbert and Fallon. From a fascist lens, this could be seen as suppressing oppositional media which is a hallmark of fascist regimes that used state or proxy pressure to silence critics and enforce narrative control. The Trump administration has aggressively pursued policies targeting "woke" or "ideological" materials in public and federal institutions, often framed as protecting "American values" from "indoctrination." They ordered the removal of books from several libraries, like Maya Angelou’s Caged Bird whilst allowing Hitlers Mein Kampf to remain. They threaten universities with defunding, if they feel that it doesn’t align with the ideology. When journalists used the term “gulf of Mexico” and not the approved language of the regime, Trump threatened to cancel any access. These actions don't make the administration fully fascist, but they align with fascist tendencies toward authoritarian control over discourse, especially when paired with ultranationalist rhetoric.
In the UK the flag marches were driven by the far right and whipping up dangerous anti immigrant hatred. Whilst Nazi Germany targeted Jewish people, now it’s the demonising of Muslim people. The protestors were aggressive towards Asian people and also intimidating to women ( singing “get your tits out for the lads”) These type of marches normalise prejudice by associating national symbols with anti-immigrant hostility, making minority communities (Muslims, South Asians) feel unsafe. There were numerous council leaders who reported “intimidating" atmospheres in diverse neighborhoods. I actually feel shame to see my nations flag being used like this, I want to feel proud of my country and I do, to some extent, but events like this sicken me. I understand people are concerned by immigration but behaving as the protesters did was sickening and shameful. These protesters that bang on about protecting “our women” from immigrants but 2 in 5 (40%) arrested in the Farage riots had previous convictions for domestic violence.

I think ISIS maps on to fascism pretty closely. It merely replaces the nation state with the Ummah. It's totalitarian, scorning democracy and bases laws on an all compassing guide to life. It despises and oppresses women.

Islam has historically been close to fascist Germany, not only harbouring Nazi war criminals, but using their expertise in interrogation, propaganda and ethnic cleansing.
It's unwise to expect a repeat of Hitler - it will come in a different guise.

ISIS's tactics and ideology align more closely with religious extremism than fascist totalitarianism.
You misunderstand fascism. Here is the sign from the US Holocaust memorial museum to help you understand what it actually is

ISIS's tactics and ideology align more closely with religious extremism than fascist totalitarianism.
You misunderstand fascism. Here is the sign from the US Holocaust memorial museum to help you understand what it actually is

What, then, do you make of this latest from ISIS?

"Isis has issued a horrific threat to Britain as it urged its followers to attack "Jews, Christians and their allies".
A spokesman for the Islamic State, Abu Hudhaifa al-Ansari, encouraged supporters to pursue individuals of the two faiths throughout America, Europe "and the world".

The message, titled "O Zealous Monotheists", outlines multiple methods for carrying out assaults.
They include explosive devices, firearms, bladed weapons and vehicles as instruments of attack."

Now that, is fascism.

No. Fascism is a far-right, ultranationalist political ideology and movement that emphasizes extreme loyalty to the nation (often above the individual or other groups) dictatorial leadership, forcible suppression of opposition, and centralised control over society and the economy.
It originated in early 20th century Europe, most notably with Benito Mussolini's regime in Italy, and shares core traits like militarism, a rejection of liberal democracy, and the glorification of a mythical national past or hierarchy.
There's no single, universally agreed-upon definition because it evolved across contexts (e.g., Italian Fascism vs. Nazism, which added explicit racial elements), but its generally accepted that it involves at its core; authoritarianism, nationalism, and anti-egalitarianism.
The idea of fascism as "someone that kills everyone they don’t like" is way way too simplistic, whilst it captures the violent tendencies (like state-sponsored terror against perceived enemies) it misses the ideological framework. Regimes like Mussolini's or Hitler's did use mass violence, genocide, and purges as tools to enforce conformity, but fascism isn't defined by random killing; it's a structured worldview that justifies such acts through appeals to national rebirth, racial or cultural purity, and the leader's infallible will. In short, it's much more of an ideology an aspirational "ideal" for its adherents about remaking society under a strong, unified state than just a personality trait or isolated brutality. That said, in practice, it almost always leads to authoritarian repression and war.
In America Trump has repeatedly called for the cancelling of Kimmel, Colbert and Fallon. From a fascist lens, this could be seen as suppressing oppositional media which is a hallmark of fascist regimes that used state or proxy pressure to silence critics and enforce narrative control. The Trump administration has aggressively pursued policies targeting "woke" or "ideological" materials in public and federal institutions, often framed as protecting "American values" from "indoctrination." They ordered the removal of books from several libraries, like Maya Angelou’s Caged Bird whilst allowing Hitlers Mein Kampf to remain. They threaten universities with defunding, if they feel that it doesn’t align with the ideology. When journalists used the term “gulf of Mexico” and not the approved language of the regime, Trump threatened to cancel any access. These actions don't make the administration fully fascist, but they align with fascist tendencies toward authoritarian control over discourse, especially when paired with ultranationalist rhetoric.
In the UK the flag marches were driven by the far right and whipping up dangerous anti immigrant hatred. Whilst Nazi Germany targeted Jewish people, now it’s the demonising of Muslim people. The protestors were aggressive towards Asian people and also intimidating to women ( singing “get your tits out for the lads”) These type of marches normalise prejudice by associating national symbols with anti-immigrant hostility, making minority communities (Muslims, South Asians) feel unsafe. There were numerous council leaders who reported “intimidating" atmospheres in diverse neighborhoods. I actually feel shame to see my nations flag being used like this, I want to feel proud of my country and I do, to some extent, but events like this sicken me. I understand people are concerned by immigration but behaving as the protesters did was sickening and shameful. These protesters that bang on about protecting “our women” from immigrants but 2 in 5 (40%) arrested in the Farage riots had previous convictions for domestic violence.

The far left are much worse in my opinion.

Overtheatlantic · 17/09/2025 16:38
The left have never been and will never be as bad as the right. Their values are completely different

Absolutely! Look at Pol Pot, Stalin, Honecker, Mao. Perfect poppets all of them.