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Left wingers seem as bad as right wingers

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secureyourbook · 17/09/2025 16:10

I’ve seen so many people this last week who see themselves as such “right on” virtuous people posting the most horrible things on social media.

One replied to a post about Charlie Kirk, it was basically a “sorry not sorry” post because he’s so hateful. When asked by someone if she’s actually seen any of his debates she said she didn’t need to, the facts are there that he was basically a fascist who incites violence. FWIW I’ve watched several of his videos since seeing her post today and seen nothing that suggests this, even though I don’t agree with his opinion on many things (but apparently he’s doing it in code, whatever that means)

Another friend was ranting about the protest in London and using really horrible terms to describe people that went. I hate what the flags have come to represent, and I don’t doubt that there were many thugs there just wanting to stir up hate. Surely though, describing all who went to the protest as the same (basically they’re all thick as shit racist hooligans) is no better than someone describing all immigrants as benefit chasing potential rapists (or insert any other racist stereotype)

Am I missing something? Or is it considered acceptable to make sweeping generalisations as long as you’re on the left side of the political spectrum?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 27/09/2025 17:16

Uggbootsforever · 27/09/2025 12:09

Robinson is Islamophobic, not racist. Happy for you to prove me wrong with a direct quote regarding skin colour or something rooted in race rather than religion?

Here you go.

https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/news/redcar-family-suffers-racist-abuse/

Tommy Robinson is a racist.

Family living in fear after innocent park video is hijacked by far-right trolls - Cleveland Police and Crime Commissioner

Redcar family suffers racist abuse after far right hi-jacks and manipulates innocent video of a family day out

https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/news/redcar-family-suffers-racist-abuse/

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 12:19

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This is nonsense. Try it on someone else.

Plastictreees · 27/09/2025 12:17

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EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 12:15

Plastictreees · 27/09/2025 12:12

No. I haven’t. I’ve seen on you many threads.

Yes you have. You probably think I knew who CK was before he died, and I see how you post.

Plastictreees · 27/09/2025 12:12

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 12:03

What are you talking about? I recall a CK thread where I asked a poster if he should be allowed to continue or stop. I avoided your posts. She gave decent answers.

CK isn’t someone I’ve followed or listened to, you have the wrong poster.

No. I haven’t. I’ve seen on you many threads.

Uggbootsforever · 27/09/2025 12:09

BeHappySloth · 17/09/2025 16:52

I completely agree with you with regard to some of the comments about Charlie Kirk. It doesn't matter how objectionable you think his views were - I personally found some of his opinions abhorrent - any half-way civilised person must condemn his killing and any kind of political violence. What happened to him was horrific, and any comments seeking to justify or mock his death are disgusting.

As far as the protesters in London are concerned, we'll have to agree to disagree. Anyone who goes out on a march organised by Tommy Robinson is either thick or racist, possibly both. I don't really see why we should have to pretend otherwise?

Robinson is Islamophobic, not racist. Happy for you to prove me wrong with a direct quote regarding skin colour or something rooted in race rather than religion?

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 12:03

Plastictreees · 27/09/2025 11:50

Always the hyperbole. No one is ‘attacking’ you and you aren’t a victim here I’m afraid.

You have supported the words of a racist time and time again, on many threads. We see you.

What are you talking about? I recall a CK thread where I asked a poster if he should be allowed to continue or stop. I avoided your posts. She gave decent answers.

CK isn’t someone I’ve followed or listened to, you have the wrong poster.

Plastictreees · 27/09/2025 11:50

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 11:10

Does this work? Always this unsubstantiated attack.

Always the hyperbole. No one is ‘attacking’ you and you aren’t a victim here I’m afraid.

You have supported the words of a racist time and time again, on many threads. We see you.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 11:10

Plastictreees · 27/09/2025 09:35

I expect nothing less from a racism denier.

Does this work? Always this unsubstantiated attack.

Plastictreees · 27/09/2025 09:35

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 07:48

I’d say authoritarianism which looks like it too. The more control the better.

I expect nothing less from a racism denier.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 07:48

Alicealig · 26/09/2025 14:25

I usually think of fascism as an ideology of the left

I’d say authoritarianism which looks like it too. The more control the better.

MasterPlaster · 26/09/2025 23:59

Bumblebee72 · 26/09/2025 18:38

Be fair to Farage he said there would be £350m more per week for the NHS, in reality we are spending £900m more per week on the NHS. Farage never gets any credit for this.

We discussed this earlier on the thread. Are you perhaps referring to the 2019 / 2020 ONS statistics also in comparison to last year by any chance?

Circularmadness · 26/09/2025 20:23

Bumblebee72 · 26/09/2025 18:38

Be fair to Farage he said there would be £350m more per week for the NHS, in reality we are spending £900m more per week on the NHS. Farage never gets any credit for this.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html
Farage promoted the £350 million figure in interviews and speeches, there is a video where he explicitly pledged that EU funds should go to the NHS. Quote from the article above ; “Speaking on the morning of the referendum result he however said he had never made any such pledge.”
He backed out of it on the MORNING of the referendum result!! Sounds like a man to be trusted right?
Some analyses estimate potential additional costs to the NHS from Brexit, could be up to £500 million if retired UK expats return from the EU for care.
Public health expenditure in the UK has increased substantially since 2016, but this is driven by factors like population growth, an ageing demographic (with over-65s now accounting for around 40% of NHS costs), inflation, rising staff wages, new technologies and treatments and massive COVID-19-related investments. Increased spending is absolutely not a benefit of Brexit and certainly not any kind of bonus that can be attributed to the man who wishes to destroy the NHS. We should all be very wary of propaganda. I truly believe it produced Brexit and I believe it will install Farage as a Temu Trump to wreck the UK if we don’t actively resist it.

Nigel Farage disowns Vote Leave '£350m for the NHS pledge' hours after EU referendum result

The Ukip leader said he had never made such a pledge

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 26/09/2025 19:52

Bumblebee72 · 26/09/2025 18:38

Be fair to Farage he said there would be £350m more per week for the NHS, in reality we are spending £900m more per week on the NHS. Farage never gets any credit for this.

Farage has claimed an awful lot of things. Vanishingly few of them have any basis in reality.

Bumblebee72 · 26/09/2025 18:38

MasterPlaster · 17/09/2025 16:29

Hilarious. Honestly, good luck with Reform. We tried.

Hopefully Farage is better with the facts than he was with Brexit and the NHS. Best of luck.

Be fair to Farage he said there would be £350m more per week for the NHS, in reality we are spending £900m more per week on the NHS. Farage never gets any credit for this.

Circularmadness · 26/09/2025 18:30

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 26/09/2025 18:17

On what do you base that thought?

Consumption of right wing propaganda, I’d wager

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 26/09/2025 18:30

Circularmadness · 26/09/2025 17:49

The Party's name blended leftist and nationalist terms to appeal to both workers and the far-right, serving as a propaganda tool to mask its oppressive agenda. It was the deliberate appropriation of socialist language to co-opt working-class support while serving authoritarian and capitalist interests.
Claiming the Nazi Nationalist Socialist Party is socialist is like saying Scientology is a movement of scientists.
They were fascists, emphasising authoritarianism, nationalism & racial hierarchy. They suppressed labor movements and socialist principles like class equality. True socialists, like the German Social Democrats, were persecuted by the Nazis. They were a far-right, totalitarian regime. Hope this clarifies

Indeed. If you read, say, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich you'll understand why they chose that name and why it was as insincere as the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea claiming to be an actual democracy.

It's also instructive to remember that Facism didn't start with Hitler. It started when Mussolini realised that the way to power was through rampant nationalism, calling back to a time when Italy was once great, open racism and rigorous control of the media.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 26/09/2025 18:17

Alicealig · 26/09/2025 14:25

I usually think of fascism as an ideology of the left

On what do you base that thought?

Circularmadness · 26/09/2025 17:57

1dayatatime · 26/09/2025 14:05

The quote was "Fascism is typically defined as a far right authoritarian ideology ".

However if you look at what defines fascism then you could equally apply it today to say North Korea or to a lesser extent China. Both of which claim to be communist.

If you look at National Socialism (or Nazis) in Germany then there ideology was a combination of nationalism, militarism and socialism. Post war there has been an emphasis on the nationalism and militarism parts whereas the socialist part have been deemphasised .

Awkward to be spreading literal Nazi propaganda 😬

Circularmadness · 26/09/2025 17:49

1dayatatime · 26/09/2025 14:05

The quote was "Fascism is typically defined as a far right authoritarian ideology ".

However if you look at what defines fascism then you could equally apply it today to say North Korea or to a lesser extent China. Both of which claim to be communist.

If you look at National Socialism (or Nazis) in Germany then there ideology was a combination of nationalism, militarism and socialism. Post war there has been an emphasis on the nationalism and militarism parts whereas the socialist part have been deemphasised .

The Party's name blended leftist and nationalist terms to appeal to both workers and the far-right, serving as a propaganda tool to mask its oppressive agenda. It was the deliberate appropriation of socialist language to co-opt working-class support while serving authoritarian and capitalist interests.
Claiming the Nazi Nationalist Socialist Party is socialist is like saying Scientology is a movement of scientists.
They were fascists, emphasising authoritarianism, nationalism & racial hierarchy. They suppressed labor movements and socialist principles like class equality. True socialists, like the German Social Democrats, were persecuted by the Nazis. They were a far-right, totalitarian regime. Hope this clarifies

Barbadossunset · 26/09/2025 15:23

However if you look at what defines fascism then you could equally apply it today to say North Korea or to a lesser extent China. Both of which claim to be communist.

I agree with this, but for some reason communism doesn’t carry the same stigma as fascism. If there was a pro-communist rally or march in London with banners showing mass murderer Stalin, I doubt there’d be much reaction.
However, if a march displayed banners showing Hitler the marchers would be arrested immediately.
Also, I believe there - and have been - politicians who were communist in their youth which has had no consequences to their future careers.

Alicealig · 26/09/2025 14:25

I usually think of fascism as an ideology of the left

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 26/09/2025 14:23

1dayatatime · 26/09/2025 14:05

The quote was "Fascism is typically defined as a far right authoritarian ideology ".

However if you look at what defines fascism then you could equally apply it today to say North Korea or to a lesser extent China. Both of which claim to be communist.

If you look at National Socialism (or Nazis) in Germany then there ideology was a combination of nationalism, militarism and socialism. Post war there has been an emphasis on the nationalism and militarism parts whereas the socialist part have been deemphasised .

What's the second line of the poem?

1dayatatime · 26/09/2025 14:05

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 25/09/2025 21:59

Its a bit weird how that one video is "5 arguments for why fascism is left/right wing - you decide", then the same channel also has a separate video explaining what fascism is (and that its a far right ideology).

The quote was "Fascism is typically defined as a far right authoritarian ideology ".

However if you look at what defines fascism then you could equally apply it today to say North Korea or to a lesser extent China. Both of which claim to be communist.

If you look at National Socialism (or Nazis) in Germany then there ideology was a combination of nationalism, militarism and socialism. Post war there has been an emphasis on the nationalism and militarism parts whereas the socialist part have been deemphasised .

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 25/09/2025 21:59

1dayatatime · 23/09/2025 12:02

Here's a good short simple explanation on left and right wing politics in regards to fascism:

Its a bit weird how that one video is "5 arguments for why fascism is left/right wing - you decide", then the same channel also has a separate video explaining what fascism is (and that its a far right ideology).

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