Right-wing American Pied Piper Charlie Kirk assassinated

I didn’t say anything even vaguely related to a conspiracy theory.

We are told that words are literal violence. Any one who doesn't agree that 100% with the ideology are Nazis/ fascists.

This is how TRAs justify it.

But i see the conspiracy theories are already starting.

I wonder if it was his views on this that got him killed.

www.instagram.com/reel/DOcQt11gUOz/

If the US tras are anything like the tras in the UK then no, because threatening violence seems to be the tra thing. This is just the next level and because of all the banners I've seen in the UK news threatening violence (decapitate a terf, the only good terf is a dead terf etc etc) it doesn't surprise me at all.

It's a very sad state of affairs imo.

Am I the only one who finds it bizarre that all of a sudden there’s a spate of “pro trans” killings?

Some people's comments on MN still have the power to shock.

The bullets are engraved with pro trans messages.
Ammo used in Charlie Kirk shooting had ‘trans and antifascist messages’ - what we know about the hunt for the killer | The Independent https://share.google/ficBNLnMyDuGUqyhz

afaik, no one but the shooter knows why they murdered CK.
Presumably killed because of something he said or did, but we don't even know which thing he said or did that motivated the shooter.
Perfectly possible he was killed for not advocating for gun rights ENOUGH in some person's opinion.

no person should be murdered killed for having an opinion you disagree with.
Fixed that for PP.

It's a terrible thing when anyone is killed through mindless violence, particularly when it could be prevented through adequate legislation and enforcement, and a move away from hate speech. BUT - Charlie Kirk's death is a direct result of a culture he advocated for and was paid for doing. He even said himself that having the Second Amendment was worth gun violence. He just believed it would never happen to him.

Three children were killed in a school shooting today in Colorado - yet another unspeakable tragedy that has received shockingly little attention. At the same time, it’s deeply disturbing to see a man who openly championed gun rights being honoured, while children continue to be sacrificed to the grotesque illusion that unrestricted access to firearms equals freedom. To deny the connection between figures like CK and the epidemic of gun violence in the U.S. is an act of extreme naivety and dangerous ignorance.

i follow the director of FBI on twatter and he said an arrest has been made. Nothing further. Another video shows an elderly white man being arrested at the event but god knows.

That's very unnecessary. I didn't know much about Charlie Kirk before today, but he was obviously influential in right wing circles which is what the OP was referring to.

Pied piper? You insufferable person.

I'm from England and I can assure you there are lots of us here gutted about Charlie Kirk! We also have a very clear divide between left and right wing politics here and us conservatives saw Charlie as the voice of logic and reason. I've been crying about him today and for his daughters who will have woken up without him this morning. I'm so sad.

How about we wait and see if anyone is arrested before assigning an ideology to them.

It's you who aren't looking very hard, Trump has paid respects to a man murdered in cold blood.

Try looking on TikTok, or you could simply look on MN

A terrible thing to say.
Trump says terrible things too - I'm thinking of him mocking the disabled journalist.
Nobody is perfect. Some people say terrible things.
You can't judge everyone by the behaviour of other people. There is more good than bad.

Someone on another thread said “one less Trump supporter” .

There have also been millions of kind, sympathetic posts and opinions from people of all political persuasions.

I'm talking about the wider opinion. On other threads on mumsnet and in the wider media there have been some abhorrent posts and opinions.

So by 'on here' I mean on Mumsnet not limited to this thread.

Edited for clarity

@lifeturnsonadime Where has anyone on the left been intolerant on this thread? All I'm reading is 'I disagree with what you say but I defend your right to say it'?

'Words are literal violence'

'Anyone who disagrees with my opinion is a fascist/ nazi.'

We are living in times of intolerance on both sides of the political divide.

No one deserves to be assassinated for their political views. These acts are the opposite of democracy and run counter to freedom of speech.

Having been politically to the left for the majority of my life (and now politically homeless), I find the intolerance of some of the left wing posters on here totally shocking.

What happened to 'I disagree with what you say but I defend your right to say it'?