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“Critical thinking”

35 replies

genesis92 · 02/09/2025 21:44

I’m so sick of hearing this phrase used on here to somehow patronise anyone who’s on the right of politics.

Anyone right wing doesn’t haven’t critical thinking skills apparently. Seems odd to me?

I’d really like to hear your examples of what it is they’re lacking in abundance. And yes I know the definition of it, I want concrete examples in context.

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MsAmerica · 11/09/2025 02:12

GarlicPint · 10/09/2025 03:06

Yes, exactly! Asking questions that presuppose the answer is classic uncritical thinking. When I saw the Brigitte Macron rumours, the first thing I did was to search for "Brigitte Macron children". This got me photos of her with her kids at various ages, her first wedding and some articles about her childhood as a girl. A girl born in 1953, who had three children, is definitely not a man 🙄

AI might be a fickle friend, but they're generally pretty good at debunking these rumours and explaining what the facts are.
... Now waiting for someone to come and tell us AI engines are all owned by the devil, Putin, Bill Gates and/or the WEF ...

If I may get slightly tangential:
1.In my experience, right-wing Americans have some weird sexual hang-ups that often lead them to suggest women are really men. They did it with Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama, too. The default reaction should be to dismiss it as bunk.
2.I urge everyone to steer clear of A.I., but are you familiar with Snopes?
https://www.snopes.com/

R0ckandHardPlace · 10/09/2025 09:30

In short it’s people parroting what appear to be ludicrous claims, but refuse to provide evidence to back them up.

They then get annoyed when they’re accused of looking stupid and uneducated and say that the opposing side wants to stifle debate and ‘shut them down’.

Poppingby · 10/09/2025 09:19

I just feel like scoffing at the idea of critical thinking is like slagging people off for learning to read. It's just about finding things out for yourself or needing evidence to you know you're not just accepting something somebody's telling you for their own purposes. Apparently up to 73% of people on chat forums just make facts up to argue with so asking people to support their points with evidence before you believe them is just basic sense.

Like that old journalism quote, not sure who said it, 'if someone says it's raining and someone says it's dry, it's not your job to quote them both, it's your job to look out the fucking window'.

You're slagging people off for wanting to look out of the window before they dash to bring their washing in because you said so.

Goldenbear · 10/09/2025 09:11

Having dogmatic opinions, a lazy approach to 'debating' that puts all the onus on the person who doesn't agree with your 'opinion', to prove them wrong.

Goldenbear · 10/09/2025 09:00

whoboo · 07/09/2025 03:57

Seems to me to mean, haven't swallowed the BBC/mainstream media line wholesale.

Do you have a source for that opinion?? Hah

People berate YouTube as some kind of gormless shite. You can literally watch Nobel prize winners having in depth conversations about the cutting edge of physics. The medium is not the problem.

Sadly, the 'BBC' are very much on the bandwagon when it comes to oversimplification of the 'news', I read it was because they are trying to not lose Viewers/Listeners to GB news so many of us who don't see politics as entertainment, have stopped tuning in.

GarlicPint · 10/09/2025 03:06

MsAmerica · 10/09/2025 01:58

There was a study done showing that research done by uninformed people doesn't help.
Because they type into Google something like "King Charles is a pedophile" or "Trump was sent by God" or "Macron's wife is a man" and it pulls up fringe articles confirming that kind of crap.

Yes, exactly! Asking questions that presuppose the answer is classic uncritical thinking. When I saw the Brigitte Macron rumours, the first thing I did was to search for "Brigitte Macron children". This got me photos of her with her kids at various ages, her first wedding and some articles about her childhood as a girl. A girl born in 1953, who had three children, is definitely not a man 🙄

AI might be a fickle friend, but they're generally pretty good at debunking these rumours and explaining what the facts are.
... Now waiting for someone to come and tell us AI engines are all owned by the devil, Putin, Bill Gates and/or the WEF ...

MsAmerica · 10/09/2025 01:58

GarlicPint · 07/09/2025 04:05

You're right that the medium isn't the problem - but, be fair, when people vehemently insist they've researched it with YouTube (especially while scorning the WEF-owned MSM), you know they don't mean they've spent hours having their intellects challenged by a range of real experts debating the issues!

There was a study done showing that research done by uninformed people doesn't help.
Because they type into Google something like "King Charles is a pedophile" or "Trump was sent by God" or "Macron's wife is a man" and it pulls up fringe articles confirming that kind of crap.

smallglassbottle · 08/09/2025 15:15

I often find that things have an element of truth which then may be distorted to suit whichever narrative the individual wishes to promote. I try to find information from a variety of sources to dig out the truth. However, mainstream sources (Google, BBC, YouTube etc.) are controlled as to their content, so sometimes you have to dig further and then don't always get a satisfactory answer.

Soontobe60 · 07/09/2025 17:53

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:22

If you couldn't see the absolute ridiculous sham that was COVID and the blatant propaganda. You have have absolutely no business spouting about critical thinking.

What do you mean by ‘sham’?

betterBeElwinNextIGuess · 07/09/2025 17:25

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:38

Nice name vashta, most people are just repeaters, they will hear something that sounds about right and that's hte truth forevermore.

I'd probably be tarred with the same brush, I do actually try to find out actual facts, I don't automatically exclude people not within the mainstream media. Apparently that makes a crazy conspirasist. (Exactly how would someone whistleblow btw,? They are not going to announce it on news at 9)

Well, for example, you could detail your convincing evidence here. I don't think mnhq would delete it.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 08:37

People on here were adamant that "they are are not listening to you on your phones" lol. Gullible, normieville.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:38

Nice name vashta, most people are just repeaters, they will hear something that sounds about right and that's hte truth forevermore.

I'd probably be tarred with the same brush, I do actually try to find out actual facts, I don't automatically exclude people not within the mainstream media. Apparently that makes a crazy conspirasist. (Exactly how would someone whistleblow btw,? They are not going to announce it on news at 9)

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:29

There are literal idiots everywhere, people who don't even believe viruses exist.

Stop getting your views from Facebook haha

VashtaNerada · 07/09/2025 06:28

I’m left-wing and I don’t believe that all right-wingers are stupid at all. I always enjoy a good conversation with someone whose political opinion differs from mine when they’re also intelligent enough to discuss it properly. Sometimes it changes my mind and sometimes it confirms for me what I thought in the first place!
What’s different is when people (from any political persuasion) say something absolutely bonkers (eg “Sadiq Khan wants sharia law in London”) without anything whatsoever to back it up. Someone recently said to me, “there’s a council that is removing England flags from people’s homes but not Palestinian flags.” Now, if that’s true, that’s interesting. I want to know more. But when I asked which council it was, they said, “oh, it doesn’t say which one on this Facebook post.” Well then it’s clearly bollocks! Why wouldn’t it say where and when this is happening if the story’s true?? That’s the kind of thing that drives people mad.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:22

If you couldn't see the absolute ridiculous sham that was COVID and the blatant propaganda. You have have absolutely no business spouting about critical thinking.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:16

I think it's called a "dog whistle" these days

whoboo · 07/09/2025 06:14

The nanobot shit is a straw man, about 5 people in the world actually believed it. It's constantly thrown about to ridicule and discredit. The fact you spouted it immediately, marks you as unserious person.

GarlicPint · 07/09/2025 04:39

Oh, for Pete's sake, @whoboo, you deliberately misread my story about vaccine nanobots/5g in order to make your anti-vaccine points. Sure, there are lots of big discussions to be had about vaccine safety but you hijacked my point to shoehorn yours in.

I did not comment on vaccine safety. I used the example of the nanobot conspiracies to illustrate absence of critical thinking, because it is very easy to see there. You told me there were no such conspiracies. There were, which you'd have checked for yourself if you were a critical thinker. Here, I've just done it for you.

With the introduction of the COVID-19 vaccine, microchips (nano-chips) will also be introduced into the human body, then 5G networks will enter the business, through which the world elite will send various signals to the chips, thereby controlling humanity.

The COVID-19 virus is an excuse to inject us with a vaccine that will synchronize us to a digital identity that will be issued in the Civil Registry.

Bill Gates, the founder of harmful vaccination campaigns in developing countries, now plans to use COVID-19 vaccines to surveil the population.

The BBC published a travel piece stating that there will be microchips in the future vaccines funded by the Bill Gates so they can track who has been vaccinated for coronavirus.

From here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8115834/

There's also this: https://publichealthcollaborative.org/alerts/dubious-study-claims-that-mrna-vaccines-contain-nanobots/

and these: https://publichealthcollaborative.org/alerts/bizarre-claims-circulate-that-covid-19-vaccines-contain-toxins-nanochips-and-parasites/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54893437

My Facebook and Twitter were rife with these 'studies', 'experts' and 'whistleblowers' at the time. I followed some of them up because I'm interested by the ways people get sucked into such things. And couldn't sleep until I'd come back and answered! So, again, good night - what's left of it.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:27

I have seen quite a few people who were banned on YouTube and mainstream platforms return lately. No idea what that is all about.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:20

Well said peppercorn. The sidelining and silencing of dissenting voices was also pretty disturbing.

Preppercorn · 07/09/2025 04:16

Not engaging with critical thinking happened a lot during covid. A lot of my left-leaning friends disappointed me greatly with their uncritical acceptance of every batshit rule no matter how arbitrary or inconsistent, and their over-readiness to dismiss any questions at all as “crazy conspiracy theories”. It is a false syllogism to say that someone who questions the use of (widely-discredited in empirical peer-reviewed research) fabric masks as a public health measure is automatically also a rabid anti-vaxxer. And yet they did. Lack of critical thinking. The automatic jump to parroting things from government as a response to an unrelated comment on the same topic was also grating, but maybe that’s more of a lack of critical listening/reading skills; some people see/hear a keyword and utterly fail to note the rest of the question or sentence and just go off on one about something barely on-topic.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:14

Mic drop (not)

GarlicPint · 07/09/2025 04:13

Not quite sure what your point is.

Evidently.
Goodnight.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:12

I'm not parroting anyone? Not quite sure what your point is.

GarlicPint · 07/09/2025 04:09

whoboo · 07/09/2025 04:04

See, you have swallowed the bollocks whole. Misinformed totally but convinced you are on the right side. Spouting idiotic sound bites, there were a lot of highly qualified people who had a problem with "the vaccine" none of which featured nanotech to take over your brain 🙄

I understand nothing I can say will make a dent. Just in case, though, since I'm an optimist ... You do realise 'critical thinking' doesn't mean parroting the views of qualified people whose opinions match your own feeling?

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