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MsAmerica · 25/08/2025 03:54

Trump has called in federal military troops into Washington DC, starting with the false excuse of high crime (the crime rate has actually dropped markedly), and is ordering things that appear to be illegal. It looks like a lead-in to martial law. I've been in a forum with everyone posting in mounting concern.

National Guard troops in Washington, DC, begin carrying weapons

Some National Guard units in Washington now carrying firearms in escalation of Trump deployment - POLITICO

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Echobelly · 07/09/2025 11:46

MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:31

Wow, this is news to me, that the prison numbers are falling!

It surprised me too - there's a lot of factors in play, eg easier to get caught these day with stuff on camera, and young people going out less. If you're not going out in big groups of mates, less drinking, less likelihood of fights breaking out etc. There doesn't seem to be an equivalent in the UK but maybe that's because we don't have the same degree of prison as a profit industry, so we didn't have such a disproportionate rate of jailing people 30-40 years ago.

LemondrizzleShark · 07/09/2025 01:55

SpryUmberZebra · 25/08/2025 06:03

Epstein Epstein, there never been any indication at all that Trump did anything with Epstein and the files are blocked by a judge nor Trump.

There has been proof and reports of Clinton the democrats president yet you pretend democrats are blame free right? If Trump was named don’t you think Biden and the democrats would have done everything to release them when you look at all they did to stop him running, fake investigations, trying to remove him off the ballots etc.

Yes I’m happy for armed troops when many democrat mayors have literally handcuffed their police departments in the name of being woke and soft on crime and continue to prioritize criminals over law abiding tax payers.

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Most people on here are British. We think all of your politicians are a shower of shite. Slagging off Joe Biden isn’t the burn you seem to think it is, most of us probably agree.

MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:31

Echobelly · 30/08/2025 12:36

It's quite concerning, in the context of this regime, that prison numbers in the US are falling considerably - apparently younger people just aren't being arrested at anything like the rate of young people in previous decades so as older prisoners die or are released there's no one coming in. And prisons are Big Business in America.

I can see prison management companies complaining to this government they haven't got enough prisoners, so they need there to be more crimes and this lot would happily wave through prison for homlessness, protesting, criticising the government, made-up 'racism' against white people - anything they like basically. It's a bad combo.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5452417/lower-crime-and-birth-rates-mean-americas-prisons-are-emptying-out

Wow, this is news to me, that the prison numbers are falling!

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MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:28

MiloMinderbinder925 · 26/08/2025 21:23

So much for the champion of free speech. It's going to be a crime to mess with the American flag. He also wants to increase the amount of people executed by the state.

That's a really good example of Trump's lawlessness. There was a very specific Supreme Court ruling long ago declaring that burning a flag is considered political speech, and therefore protected. So it's an easy examples of Trump's blatantly unconstitutional moves.

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MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:26

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 26/08/2025 21:21

I saw something the other day that said If we deported MAGA men age 18 to 50, and replaced them with immigrants, the violent crime rate would drop 76%.

Not to mention
By the numbers: Eight of the top 10 cities with the highest murder rates and populations of at least 100,000 were in red states — Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri, Tennessee, Ohio and Louisiana.

So if Trump is doing this to fix the crime epidemic, why isn't he targeting the red states first??

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I love that statistic! If you find out where it's from, I'd love to know.

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MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:23

Ilovelifeverymuch · 25/08/2025 06:12

Again what has the national guards being sent to restore order have to do with the Constitution and the terms or third term?

He also ran on crime and if Democrats refuse to do their jobs and ensure their citizens feels.age then I don't mind the federal government stepping in. Thor first job is to protect their people but the prioritize criminals.

So are you claiming this is a step towards a coup??? That he will take over Congress and install himself as dictator or force a third term using the national guards???

This third term stuff was by a small extreme group not Trump yet you all keep claiming he is going to force a third term, he cannot and will not.

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Trump has repeatedly floated the idea of a third term.

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MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:22

SpryUmberZebra · 25/08/2025 06:03

Epstein Epstein, there never been any indication at all that Trump did anything with Epstein and the files are blocked by a judge nor Trump.

There has been proof and reports of Clinton the democrats president yet you pretend democrats are blame free right? If Trump was named don’t you think Biden and the democrats would have done everything to release them when you look at all they did to stop him running, fake investigations, trying to remove him off the ballots etc.

Yes I’m happy for armed troops when many democrat mayors have literally handcuffed their police departments in the name of being woke and soft on crime and continue to prioritize criminals over law abiding tax payers.

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You seem to be wrongly imagining that Biden is as vindictive as Trump, which is untrue.

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LemonMeringueCustardCream · 07/09/2025 01:21

Willquery123 · 25/08/2025 05:38

He's doing everything be can to change the constitution (or ignore it) and serve another term.

The Americans who voted for him knew what he said he'd do and still thought he'd be a great leader.

And we are headed the same way with Farage and Reform.

We should be horrified but instead the same playbook of faux patriotism (flags, immigrants etc) is being utilised to pave the way for far right leadership here.

It's all bloody awful.

Agreed

MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:20

Ilovelifeverymuch · 25/08/2025 05:42

Good, I can’t wait for them to come to Chicago and clean up the mess caused by democrats.

And it’s well known that crime has been bad in DC for a while but now we all pretend it’s not.

The DC police are being investigated for falsifying their records to show crime is down when it is not.

I live in Chicago and the mayor gaslights us claiming crime is down but everyone can see it isn’t. We can’t even go to our local grocery store anymore without walking through a bunch of riff raff using and selling drugs, catcalling young girls and women and making people feel unsafe.

Here is one of many posts on the neighborhood Facebook page complaining about the same bullshit and the police do nothing, the Alderman who is responding is like our local councilman and has been trying to help and it just gets worse and worse and the mayor pretends there’s problem.

Democrats have destroyed many cities and love criminals. Look at Californian cities like SF LA now shitholes with lots of crime, drugs and homeless despite the billions and billions that Newsom has spent on "solving homelessness".

The Alderman Pat responding is kinda like our local council man and the South loop is a lovely family friendly neighborhood being destroyed by useless idiots who don't even live there.

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I'm sorry, but I can't take seriously anything claiming irrationally that Democrats love criminals.

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MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:19

Willquery123 · 25/08/2025 05:38

He's doing everything be can to change the constitution (or ignore it) and serve another term.

The Americans who voted for him knew what he said he'd do and still thought he'd be a great leader.

And we are headed the same way with Farage and Reform.

We should be horrified but instead the same playbook of faux patriotism (flags, immigrants etc) is being utilised to pave the way for far right leadership here.

It's all bloody awful.

Right, that's one reason I post about it - maybe the UK can learn from the cautionary tale of the US.

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MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:18

gruebleen · 25/08/2025 03:59

Thanks for sharing. Just as a matter of logic, the fact that crime rates have dropped in DC doesn't contradict the claim that crime rates are alarmingly high in DC.

Very true, but if you really wanted to take the extraordinary step of sending in the military, wouldn't it make more sense to send it to the worst offender?

Also, there is the additional problem that Trump frames it untruthfully - and has been additionally lying with other comparisons. It might have been very different if he'd said instead: I know that crime has been falling, but it's still disgracefully high considering this is our nation's capital, so I'm going to be meeting with the mayor to discuss whether it might be helpful to send in federal troops.

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MsAmerica · 07/09/2025 01:12

ZippyTheZebra · 25/08/2025 03:55

What appears to be illegal and what’s his end goal?

First, I hadn't had a chance to check in, but wanted to thank everyone who chimed in. (I'm just reading through now, so don't yet know if the replies will be mostly concerned/interested or mostly "So what?") I was really horrified when I heard the news, but later thought, well, maybe I shouldn't have posted it.

Second, @ZippyTheZebra, there are very specific rules/laws about the use of military, and some of what Trump has in mind is illegal, because some parts of the military are forbidden to use against American citizens. But beyond that, although there have been cases, rarely, they have been in situations where the force seemed necessary. In this case, there is no emergency, despite Trump's pretending there is. (I think the last time troops were sent in was a half-century ago to protect black citizens against racist violence.)

Third, as to his end goal - personally, I think his goal is martial law.

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Echobelly · 30/08/2025 12:36

It's quite concerning, in the context of this regime, that prison numbers in the US are falling considerably - apparently younger people just aren't being arrested at anything like the rate of young people in previous decades so as older prisoners die or are released there's no one coming in. And prisons are Big Business in America.

I can see prison management companies complaining to this government they haven't got enough prisoners, so they need there to be more crimes and this lot would happily wave through prison for homlessness, protesting, criticising the government, made-up 'racism' against white people - anything they like basically. It's a bad combo.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5452417/lower-crime-and-birth-rates-mean-americas-prisons-are-emptying-out

Lower crime and birth rates mean America's prisons are emptying out

NPR's Ailsa Chang talks with Keith Humphreys, professor at Stanford, about the falling prison population in the U.S., and the reasons behind that trend.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5452417/lower-crime-and-birth-rates-mean-americas-prisons-are-emptying-out

merrymelody · 30/08/2025 01:12

mathanxiety · 30/08/2025 01:04

This is a dress rehearsal for a military takeover of Washington DC in order to prevent a Democratic Congress and Senate from being sworn in after the 2026 midterms, or the seating of a Democratic president in January 2029.

The threatened calling in of the Natiinal Guard to Chicago is a smokescreen and an effort to throw mud at Illinois governor J.B. Pritzker, who has been a vocal opponent of trump (and also Chicago mayor Brandon Johnson who represents verything trump hates). His main aim here is to see how easy it would be to take over DC.

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Absolutely. He literally called himself a dictator.

mathanxiety · 30/08/2025 01:08

MiloMinderbinder925 · 26/08/2025 21:28

He's a champion of law and order, except when he pardons convicted criminals:
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-donald-trump-pardons-second-term-2077874

He has no respect whatsoever for law and is perfectly comfortable with disorder when it's his own supporters breaking into the US Capitol, beating police and security officers, and holding Nazi-inspired torchlight rallies.

mathanxiety · 30/08/2025 01:04

This is a dress rehearsal for a military takeover of Washington DC in order to prevent a Democratic Congress and Senate from being sworn in after the 2026 midterms, or the seating of a Democratic president in January 2029.

The threatened calling in of the Natiinal Guard to Chicago is a smokescreen and an effort to throw mud at Illinois governor J.B. Pritzker, who has been a vocal opponent of trump (and also Chicago mayor Brandon Johnson who represents verything trump hates). His main aim here is to see how easy it would be to take over DC.

dwordle · 29/08/2025 22:46

Echobelly · 29/08/2025 22:37

I can totally forsee the GOP regime next year going 'Ohhh no, we can't have midterms, there's a National Emergency we've been fabricating for the last year, look at all these troops we've had to put on the streets'

Something is happening you can see it already. Universities are being ordered to curtail free speech, people visiting America are having there face book accounts scrutinized....it's very ugly to watch.

Echobelly · 29/08/2025 22:37

I can totally forsee the GOP regime next year going 'Ohhh no, we can't have midterms, there's a National Emergency we've been fabricating for the last year, look at all these troops we've had to put on the streets'

dwordle · 29/08/2025 22:28

It's bluntly obvious he's no intention of stepping aside after his term. Plunging ratings approaching mid terms all this stuff that is happening is an attempt to rig the election. Masked ICE operations taking people from the streets and the threat of these operatives guarding polling stations will scare many from voting. Threatening to redraw state lines....again manipulation of an election.

Here is the thing he needs to refinance 3 trillion dollars worth of debt by December but with interest rates at 4.5% he can't do it. Inflation is now rampant and jobless totals are rising while is popularity is plunging....his answer arrests for staff at the federal reserve. He wants to control the interest rates....which is spooking bond investments.

Something is about to happen and it isn't going to be good.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 26/08/2025 21:28

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 26/08/2025 21:24

Yet, using the flag as a weapon on January 6th to assault law enforcement officers was A-OK.

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He's a champion of law and order, except when he pardons convicted criminals:
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-donald-trump-pardons-second-term-2077874

Donald Trump

Full list of Donald Trump pardons during his second term

President Donald Trump has issued a sweeping series of second-term pardons as part of his ongoing campaign against what he calls a politicized justice system.

https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-donald-trump-pardons-second-term-2077874

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 26/08/2025 21:24

MiloMinderbinder925 · 26/08/2025 21:23

So much for the champion of free speech. It's going to be a crime to mess with the American flag. He also wants to increase the amount of people executed by the state.

Yet, using the flag as a weapon on January 6th to assault law enforcement officers was A-OK.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 26/08/2025 21:23

So much for the champion of free speech. It's going to be a crime to mess with the American flag. He also wants to increase the amount of people executed by the state.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 26/08/2025 21:21

I saw something the other day that said If we deported MAGA men age 18 to 50, and replaced them with immigrants, the violent crime rate would drop 76%.

Not to mention
By the numbers: Eight of the top 10 cities with the highest murder rates and populations of at least 100,000 were in red states — Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri, Tennessee, Ohio and Louisiana.

So if Trump is doing this to fix the crime epidemic, why isn't he targeting the red states first??

paolo2145 · 26/08/2025 21:07

The reason why Trump admires the war criminal and dictator Putin is that he envies the total control that Putin has. He would love to be in similar position where every order, threat and ultimatum he issues has to be obeyed.

He would love to have the same " free" elections that Putin holds where he apparently wins 95% of the vote. He also wants to treat his enemies the way Putin does, with utter contempt.

History will look back at this shameful episode in US politics and wonder just what the hell was going on.

Trump serves and cares for no one but his own huge ego.