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Rachel Reeves considering charging CGT on sale of main residence?

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Another76543 · 20/08/2025 11:34

It’s being reported today that Reeves’ latest idea is to tax homeowners on the capital gain made on the sale of their homes, where that home is above a certain value. From The Independent

“Rachel Reeves is considering hitting the owners of high-value properties with capital gains tax when they sell their homes as part of an attempt to fill a £40bn hole in the public purse.
The chancellor is said to be looking at ending the current exemption from capital gains tax for primary residences as she seeks ways to raise cash in the face of dire warnings about the state of the public finances - a move that would be seen as a "mansion tax".
Such a move would see higher-rate taxpayers pay 24 per cent of any gain in the value of their home, while basic rate taxpayers would be hit with an 18 per cent levy.

Sources told The Times that under proposals being considered for the autumn budget, the private residence relief would end for properties above a certain threshold.
The threshold is said to still be under consideration…….. “

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Lafufufu · 20/08/2025 19:32

HiddenRiver · 20/08/2025 19:24

I agree but surely these backbenchers will have to adapt and change or Labour are gone? They probably don’t care and only want to do a term anyhow - but surely they have to reflect and consider allowing RR to cut welfare as the data shows it’s unsustainable. Would also help Labour get back some support from the electorate.

I think it's pretty much known/accepted that given how severely conservatives and labour have shit the bed... despite being a walking catastrophe Reform will win the next election and more economic mayhem will ensue.

My beloved Gary (of Gary's economics fame) shares this view and predicts they'll do one (disastrous) term before falling apart

Plantatreetoday · 20/08/2025 19:29

RR
looking at more wealth taxes
surprise surprise

If a home is going to lose its exemption for PRR then they all should. It’s unearned income however much it is.

LifeOfAShowGirl · 20/08/2025 19:25

I’m not against it.

there are people in my town who bought their houses for £3,000 and they now sell for nearly £1 million. That’s a capital gain of over £900,000. Why should they not pay tax?!

HiddenRiver · 20/08/2025 19:24

MumOfManyAliases · 20/08/2025 18:56

The trouble is, the Labour back benchers won’t let them touch benefits, unless it’s to increase them.

I agree but surely these backbenchers will have to adapt and change or Labour are gone? They probably don’t care and only want to do a term anyhow - but surely they have to reflect and consider allowing RR to cut welfare as the data shows it’s unsustainable. Would also help Labour get back some support from the electorate.

Araminta1003 · 20/08/2025 19:15

They have to grow a pair and ignore some of their own party. They have a significant majority. If they are serious about saving the NHS long term they have no choice and have to make the hard decisions on welfare. Welfare should be for rare cafes only. We shouldn’t be sicker or less able to work than other European countries statistically. It makes no sense. So the criteria needs to become stricter. With less workers to pensioners due to ageing demographic there is no choice. Popularity shouldn’t come into it.

Another76543 · 20/08/2025 19:03

Badbadbunny · 20/08/2025 19:00

I agree. I also think we need to look at removing the VAT exemptions, such as on financial services like IFA commissions on pensions/insurance/mortgage "advice" etc. No logic why it's not VATable when other kinds of financial and legal advice is VATable. Also membership subscriptions. Lots of areas that could be brought into the scope of VAT.

Speaking of VAT, caviar currently attracts no VAT!

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bombastix · 20/08/2025 19:02

PeonyPatch · 20/08/2025 17:38

Personally, I think that the gov needs to shake up multiple areas in society and to me, it seems like that’s what they’re doing.

There needs to be reform on welfare, council tax, stamp duty, CGT, pensions etc etc. it all needs a good looking at.

I am not against a 1% tax increase - I think that needs to happen alongside shake ups in other areas…

I would agree. But look at the performance on state benefits so far. Failure to reform disability and cut WFA. The other things you mention are even more contentious.

Reeves has to survive her party, the right wing press have torn her to bits. Let’s not pretend she has the capital politically either on left or right to make these massive changes. Being unpopular is one thing. Being unpopular and not achieved your unpopular policy is quite another. She does not have political nous.

Badbadbunny · 20/08/2025 19:00

Another76543 · 20/08/2025 18:55

They could bring the vape tax forward. She added VAT on education immediately, and yet delayed vape tax until October 2026. Gambling tax definitely needs looking at. Public sector pensions need a review; barely anyone in the private sector enjoys final salary schemes any more. Tax on flights is probably another area worth reviewing; the air passenger duty is often a tiny percentage of a flight.

I agree. I also think we need to look at removing the VAT exemptions, such as on financial services like IFA commissions on pensions/insurance/mortgage "advice" etc. No logic why it's not VATable when other kinds of financial and legal advice is VATable. Also membership subscriptions. Lots of areas that could be brought into the scope of VAT.

hattie43 · 20/08/2025 18:58

Just don’t sell until labour are kicked out , 4yrs and counting , won’t come soon enough

Lafufufu · 20/08/2025 18:57

RedToothBrush · 20/08/2025 15:32

I don't disagree with you on the principle of the tax.

I do think it's utterly deluded to think you can continue to get away with not paying more tax regardless of your high income.

Get away with not paying more tax..?

I literally just explained with 2 children i pay an effective tax rate of over 80% on a portion of my salary.

Honestly please educate yourself.
Listen to Gary's economics - he is amazing
His podcast "This is how we stop the UK from falling apart" is a good start point.

I qualified for free school meals and my father was a bricklayer...I have an exceptionally well paying job which is now funding an exceptionally average lifestyle.

I am not the enemy... people making 40k pa, people making 20k per year. sick people, people on benefits or people with 8 kids arent the enemy... people with net worths of hundred of millions and billions are.

You've fallen for the bullshit rhetoric pushed to us... the longer you waste your time trying to drag people like me to the bottom the more messed up the economy becomes. ANYONE WITH A NET WORTH UNDER £10M NEEDS TO "UNIONISE". until we unite and start protesting for change this country will only go one way.

Labour sold their party and principles up the river and are in the pockets of lobbyists.

Keir sold his soul for a few average looking suits and a pair of taylor swift tickets... i feel fremdschämen (second hand embarrassment) just thinking about him.

MumOfManyAliases · 20/08/2025 18:56

Araminta1003 · 20/08/2025 18:31

Triple lock needs to go, the welfare bill is unsustainable. There needs to be a time cap on unemployment benefits like in most other countries and people should be self insuring into a mandatory contribution system against periods of unemployment. That is a basic. There are loads of things other countries do successfully and they just need to copy it. The gambling tax is a must as well.

Property taxes need investigation - the whole thing is a mess. But there are issues with passing costs on to tenants as rents are too high already.

The trouble is, the Labour back benchers won’t let them touch benefits, unless it’s to increase them.

Another76543 · 20/08/2025 18:55

Araminta1003 · 20/08/2025 18:31

Triple lock needs to go, the welfare bill is unsustainable. There needs to be a time cap on unemployment benefits like in most other countries and people should be self insuring into a mandatory contribution system against periods of unemployment. That is a basic. There are loads of things other countries do successfully and they just need to copy it. The gambling tax is a must as well.

Property taxes need investigation - the whole thing is a mess. But there are issues with passing costs on to tenants as rents are too high already.

They could bring the vape tax forward. She added VAT on education immediately, and yet delayed vape tax until October 2026. Gambling tax definitely needs looking at. Public sector pensions need a review; barely anyone in the private sector enjoys final salary schemes any more. Tax on flights is probably another area worth reviewing; the air passenger duty is often a tiny percentage of a flight.

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bombastix · 20/08/2025 18:54

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 20/08/2025 18:48

I’m also going to put in a tax against cosmetic surgery/cosmetic alterations. Apparently it’s one of the largest industries in the U.K. and bad surgery costs the NHS a lot of money so I suggest we find a way to tax that industry.

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Just charge people for remedial work. This is not a real clinical need.

MumOfManyAliases · 20/08/2025 18:54

SummingUp · 20/08/2025 12:01

I read it was being looked at for the sale of houses valued over £1.5bn so I think I can rest easy!
Lots of right-wing newspapers are trying to whip up a frenzy against Labour by speculating over multiple taxes that may or may not appear in the Autumn budget, without much substance it would appear.

i assume you mean £1.5m, not £1.5bn? I heard it was £1.5m in London and £500k outside of London. £500k sounds like a lot, but there are loads of places outside of London where prices easily hit £500k and above. My house is over £400k, so not quite £500k yet. But I’m far from ‘wealthy’. So I don’t see how they can call this a wealth tax. How much more do they plan to increase taxes by? The so-called black hole in the budget has already grown from £22bn to over £50bn under their watch, and they’ve barely been in power a year. If this what that they manage to do to the country’s finances in the space of a year, where will we be in 4 years time, and how many more times will they have increased our taxes by then? Will any of us have anything to show for all the hard work and sacrifices that so many families up and down the country have made over the years?

It makes me wonder why I even bother to be honest.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 20/08/2025 18:48

I’m also going to put in a tax against cosmetic surgery/cosmetic alterations. Apparently it’s one of the largest industries in the U.K. and bad surgery costs the NHS a lot of money so I suggest we find a way to tax that industry.

PeonyPatch · 20/08/2025 18:33

Araminta1003 · 20/08/2025 18:31

Triple lock needs to go, the welfare bill is unsustainable. There needs to be a time cap on unemployment benefits like in most other countries and people should be self insuring into a mandatory contribution system against periods of unemployment. That is a basic. There are loads of things other countries do successfully and they just need to copy it. The gambling tax is a must as well.

Property taxes need investigation - the whole thing is a mess. But there are issues with passing costs on to tenants as rents are too high already.

Some great suggestions 👍

PeonyPatch · 20/08/2025 18:32

I do think those high pensions need looking at… whoever suggested that on this thread. Trouble is, any change is going to cause grumbling… that’s why I think making small changes in multiple areas will limit the impact towards one particular group of people 🤷‍♀️

Araminta1003 · 20/08/2025 18:31

Triple lock needs to go, the welfare bill is unsustainable. There needs to be a time cap on unemployment benefits like in most other countries and people should be self insuring into a mandatory contribution system against periods of unemployment. That is a basic. There are loads of things other countries do successfully and they just need to copy it. The gambling tax is a must as well.

Property taxes need investigation - the whole thing is a mess. But there are issues with passing costs on to tenants as rents are too high already.

Araminta1003 · 20/08/2025 18:26

Maybe Rachel Reeves should come on MN and ask for some ideas to save money without destroying the economy?
Here is one way.

https://neweconomics.org/2025/02/the-bank-of-england-is-costing-us-billions

“Instead of an indemnity, the UK could adopt a deferred asset system, as used by the US Federal Reserve and the ECB. This system records losses on the central bank’s balance sheet, to be paid down by future profits. While this is essentially an accounting trick it avoids immediate fiscal strain on taxation and borrowing. As noted by Chris Giles at the FT, “monetary financing would look the same on central banks’ balance sheets” but the deferred asset makes sure this is temporary.
Moving to a deferred asset system could free up to £26bn a year for the Treasury. While these savings would ultimately disappear in the form of forgone profits in future the scale of profits per year has seemingly been much lower than potential losses – helping smooth the cost over time.”

If other central banks are doing it, so should we?

PeonyPatch · 20/08/2025 17:38

1dayatatime · 20/08/2025 16:36

The problem as I see it is that the Government is in a doom loop (not that it would be any different if there was a Conservative Government in charge).

Public spending is going up with higher welfare and state pension costs combined with calls for greater spending on health, education and defence.

If the Government increases taxes then it will simply slow the economy further (as we saw with the Labour NI increase.

Politically Labour can't cut spending as we saw on the incapacity benefits u turn,

Snd Labour can't increase debt (as Liz Truss found out the hard way) with yields continuing to rise.

So Labour continues in this loop of raising taxes which slows the economy reducing Government tax income. The Government then increases taxes again to make up for this economic slowdown causing another slowdown and so on.

Personally, I think that the gov needs to shake up multiple areas in society and to me, it seems like that’s what they’re doing.

There needs to be reform on welfare, council tax, stamp duty, CGT, pensions etc etc. it all needs a good looking at.

I am not against a 1% tax increase - I think that needs to happen alongside shake ups in other areas…

flightissue · 20/08/2025 17:33

bombastix · 20/08/2025 12:28

Come on do you really think a majority of Labour voters in these areas have properties of this kind? Some will, including the PM, but not anything like a majority.

The potential policy that stings this group more is 500k property tax proposals imo

For now.

Another76543 · 20/08/2025 17:33

HurrahWuff · 20/08/2025 17:28

Totally agree with this! Why aren’t they?

I think for 2 reasons. Firstly, some of the things would take more effort. Secondly, taxing things like tobacco, alcohol and gambling would probably not be electorally popular. They’re trying to get more tax from people they know probably won’t vote for them anyway.

What a lot of people don’t realise is that tax changes filter through the whole economy. Take the recent NIC and living wage changes. The government tells us this won’t affect “working people” and that businesses are the ones who will pay. What happens though? Businesses are forced to push their prices up. When restaurants, pubs and supermarkets push their prices up, we all pay.

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HurrahWuff · 20/08/2025 17:28

Portakalkedi · 20/08/2025 16:10

While I agree with taxing the wealthy more than us plebs, I do think there are many other things this useless woman can tax - gambling, booze, fags, luxury goods, fancy cars, second homes - all those things we don't actually need. Also extra tax on property bought by foreign nationals who do not otherwise contribute, or claw back the appropriate amount of tax from the likes of Amazon etc. Or, to be honest, just stop throwing money at the wrong things - cancel HS2, stop all the pointless public enquiries years after the event, that do nothing to help anyone. Stop allowing illegal migrants to enter the country (sorry I should say stop making the coastguard escort them safely) to stay in hotels at taxpayers' expense, with free lawyers on tap. Tighten up the welfare system. Get rid of the outdated and pointless House of Lords.

Totally agree with this! Why aren’t they?

Another76543 · 20/08/2025 17:24

RedToothBrush · 20/08/2025 17:05

But the same would happen to other properties so you'd get a flat lining effect on the market.

A house owner who sells and then buys somewhere else ends up worse off if CGT applies. They don’t have as much available for an onward purchase.

With my example, they have £880k available to put towards a new house, rather than the full £1m. Where does the £120k come from? It either comes from savings, additional borrowing, or buying a cheaper property.

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HurrahWuff · 20/08/2025 17:17

RedToothBrush · 20/08/2025 15:20

Well if you don't socialise or go out, it'll be fine. You won't miss London will you?

When you retire your parents will no longer be around and you'll be able to relocate to another lovely bit of the UK and still have plenty of money left for your retirement.

Problem solved.

Eh? I’m not in London.