Ricky Jones Cleared

It's a complete cop out to say that 'that's just how it is" and not examine it further.

Unless I am mistaken, a lot of posters here would agree to that, regardless of their views.We should always be ensuring our justice system is as fair as it can be (which isn't much, admittedly).

But if things aren't working in a fair way, then we need to examine why and try to fix it.

It's a complete cop out to say that 'that's just how it is" and not examine it further.

Society is a constant re-negotiation of the social contract.

I think it’s fine to talk about it or I wouldn’t be here, would I? Although I won’t be if you call me stupid. How rude.

Well in that case I can't can I?.What a stupid. suggestion. Maybe you can answer because you're sticking around prolonging things that you think nobody should be talking about.

You’d need to ask OP. Unfortunately she fucked off almost immediately and hasn’t been seen since.

In that case what's the point of this thread with many of your.homilies in it?

You've mentioned upthread a couple of times about me not being the jury and that I should blindly agree with them because, presumably you do.

The point here is that none of us, including you, know what evidence the jury heard during the trial and ultimately on which they based their decision. Yes, we all know what we've seen on the video and I think most people would agree that what Jones said and did was abhorrent.

When an accused person stands trial by jury the elements of the crime or offence with which they have been charged have to be proved to the jury. And that is where the holes in the argument of 'two-tier justice' appears, because no-one except those who attended the trial know exactly what happened within the courtroom during that trial.

I really do wish people would try and understand this basic fact. Your opinion on the outcome may differ, but at the end of the day it's the decision of the jury, not anyone else.

I didn't say you should blindly agree with them. You are of course entitled to your own point of view.

There have been times in the past when I have found myself disagreeing with the verdict a jury delivers, based on the subset of facts that are presented in a hardly independent media and stripped of any legal nuance. However thems the breaks. And I would myself be wary of suggesting that the verdict was somehow unsafe for reasons that I hope no one has to discover, but are edging ever so slowly towards. There will be legal professionals reading these posts with a beady eye.

I was replying to a question from Blossomtoes. You've mentioned upthread a couple of times about me not being the jury and that I should blindly agree with them because, presumably you do. We all have differing POV and I find your attitude insulting and supercilious. That's a rational fact for you to digest. Get over yourself and accept that people won't always fall in line with what you want them to think.

I've also explained why I'm sceptical of this story. Jones said he wasn't threatening to cut the throats of the rioters...just a day or 2 after the riots of last summer because people were rightly furious rhat 3 little girls had been hacked to death....but the throats of the NF. I don't believe him as I've said already. I believe him to be duplicitous.As an aside it's interesting that while the country was still in shock from the aftermath of the most awful atrocity that Jones was just thinking of whose throats he'd like to cut. Did he mention the slaughtered children at any time? And as a poster has already stated...what the hell is a councillor thinking when he threatens to cut anyone's throat? That's the question that everyone should be asking .

Well 12 British citizens who aren't you and who heard all the evidence and don't agree. Why you insist on thinking you are somehow immune to supposed hoodwinking, and they aren't has yet to be rationally explained.

Rational explanations ! Look at me !! I'll be wanting facts next.

He clearly says in the video that he's talking about NF stickers with razor blades and refers to the fascists who did it. He talks about them being found in a train station.

I linked to a report saying that the police found NF stickers with razor blades previously in the same town.

He was suspended from his position and was prosecuted for what he said. Evidently people questioned his behaviour.

I'm not " so defensive of Connolly". You cannot or won't see the similarities and unfairness in the cases and it's been done to death on here already. We all gave different POV on the matter. A photo in itself is proof of nothing at all. Someone saying it's come from the NF is proof of nothing. I've looked online but there's no definitive proof. Maybe you can find some. I'd be happy to concur if there was some actual proof.
I've also explained why I'm sceptical of this story. Jones said he wasn't threatening to cut the throats of the rioters...just a day or 2 after the riots of last summer because people were rightly furious rhat 3 little girls had been hacked to death....but the throats of the NF. I don't believe him as I've said already. I believe him to be duplicitous.As an aside it's interesting that while the country was still in shock from the aftermath of the most awful atrocity that Jones was just thinking of whose throats he'd like to cut. Did he mention the slaughtered children at any time? And as a poster has already stated...what the hell is a councillor thinking when he threatens to cut anyone's throat? That's the question that everyone should be asking .

There is also a creeping belief that what people see on dross US TV shows is actually British law.

The number of posters who witter on about "pressing charges" stands testament to that.

It was all explained by the barrister in the video I posted.

https://www.mhaplus.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/HSB-744-Safety-Security-Alert-Injury-Risk-warning-From-Stanley-Blades-Hidden-Under-Stickers-With-National-Front-Written-o.pdf

Fake nooos!

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/national-front-sticker-razor-blade-dunton-green-train-station-5Hjcp88_2/

This is not the first time that razor blades have been stuck to the underside of far-right stickers in Dunton Green in recent years.

In 2021, police found a blade on a Nazi sticker at a bus stop in the village.
Inspector Matt Atkinson of Kent Police said at the time that the incident was "disturbing”, adding that it was "sheer luck that a child was not harmed".

Reports of far-right activists putting razor blades behind stickers date back to the 70s.

Amazing how everything you don’t agree with is “fake news” @1dayatatime.

Irrelevant, he was found not guilty, unless you have evidence of jury rigging or other such influence?

Ahhh good to see you back with the fake news and always happy to step in to correct.

The reality is that anyone can post a photo of a NF sticker and then another photo with a Stanley blade on it. Besides with a thickness of 0.65 mm it would be pretty visible and not exactly hidden if it was even true. The reality is that there is no evidence that this sticker with a supposed Stanley blade stuck to it by the NF other than a member of the public (with potential political motives) handing it in to the Transport Police . It could quite easily been put there by the person handing it in.

Anyway by way of point I could easily post an "image" of a Socialist Workers Party sticker with a chainsaw or a venomous snake hidden behind it! But it would exactly make it genuine.

No I can’t prove it. But we both know it’s true 😉

How much more proof do you need than a photo? 🙄 And why are you so reluctant to believe this didn’t happen and so defensive of Connolly?

People with money can buy lots of things which the state doesn't make available to everyone: including legal advice and choice of representation.

That's totally different to a state-funded system - specifically set up to mediate between people, so that they don't take justice into their own hands - treating one group more favourably than another.

This is much closer to complaints that race changes police action. It's not meant to, and there are all sorts of reasons you can give for why, but we know it does and it's not right. So we try to fix it.

It doesn't matter that the police say they had reason to believe that the black kid was a threat, and you can quote police process that they can act differently in that case. We see that there's a difference. And it's not right. So we try to fix it.

The wrongness of political 2-tier justice is exactly the same - and those who aren't determined to pretend it doesn't exist realise it's wrong in exactly the same way.

So we need to fix it. Not pretend that everything is perfect when it's not. That kind of pretence which supports injustice is the opposite of respecting the system.

I think some posters on here don't understand why people are so angry about 2-tier justice because they actually agree with it. So long as it favours the people they think it should, of course.

I think some posters on here don’t understand the basics of the legal system in England and Wales and so adopt ridiculous phrases they’ve picked up on social media rather than spending a bit of time educating themselves.

A accusation you can't prove and which adds fuck all to the discussion.

There has always been an element of 2 tier justice, look at the guy who gets the rich off driving offences?

We have an imperfect system but, at the risk of repetition, LC pleaded guilty & i would hold exactly the same views if their roles were reversed.

Its about respecting the system we have.