Ricky Jones Cleared

It doesn't suit their narrative of "2 Tier justice" does it?

Same with the Epping forest hotel judgement, clearly the High Court didn't get Starmers orders to allow the hotel to be used for asylum seekers.

Perhaps its beginning to dawn on you that there is no 2 tier justice in this country.... ?

Its just a made up anti govt narrative by the Tory supporting media.

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I am not interested in your "fun" bunfight here. You have repeatedly said that there is a two tier system, that "everyone knows that", and that there is loads of evidence of that.

You have been asked to provide that evidence.

I have just provided you with evidence that people you suggested were not treated in the same way, in fact were, and were jailed. It is not the job of the national media (who did in fact report it) to throw information at your feet - you are obliged to ensure that facts you state or imply are true before making claims. Claims which appear to be deliberately focussed on "attempting to inflame community tension".

I am asking you again to provide the evidence that people charged with the same same crime and found guilty of that crime have had wildly disproportionate sentencing.

You know I said I lied ? I lied about that too.

Of course I read the link you provided. I mean what sort of blithering idiot would engage in a grown up debate and then deny themselves any more information in it's prosecution ?

I read it, and within the first 3 paragraphs realised it was in no way comparable with a disorder which was nationwide (so not constrained to a single location or incident) and in which the community leaders involved actually stepped in to prevent it escalating in almost the exact same way none of the rioters praised with faint apathy by LC did.

It's not reported in the BBC article, but the community leaders went on to identify people who had been part of the disorder. Again in exactly the same way the rioter ringleaders didn't (until they had gentle words from the police in private).

The BBC did report it if you care to look

You didn't bother taking in any information and just superciliouslying lied instead?

What a surprise.

And a waste of time.

I'm very glad they went to jail. Pity the national media didn't report it.

So if a tree falls in a forest, and it's not on the BBC, does it happen ?

I'm very glad they went to jail. Pity the national media didn't report it.

As people keep saying, justice needs to be seen to be done. Hiding it in an attempt not to inflame community tension backfires.

You know I said I read the article ?

I lied.

I knew it would in no way underpin what previous posters thought it would. Thank you for taking your time to point that out.

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They were charged, but no link in the bbc article to a court appearance or jail time. No mug shot.

Didn't look very hard, did you? It took me all of 20 seconds to find this via a Google search. Don't have time to look further right now, but hmm, 20 months jail sentence. Doesn't sound very "two tier" to me.

https://www.westmidlands.police.uk/news/west-midlands/news/news/2024/september/man-jailed-for-involvement-in-bordesley-green-disorder/

If you want to see justice being done, perhaps you need to actually look, as opposed to making up rubbish.

Oh look, another one jailed - found in another 10 seconds - https://www.westmidlands.police.uk/news/west-midlands/news/news/2025/may/man-jailed-for-violent-disorder-last-summer/

There's some evidence from me. Still waiting for yours.

You really didn't read that article (which I did) did you ? Even though you posted the link.

And you really should engage with the substance of what is being said instead of being snide about obvious minor mistypings.

Won't make you feel so superior of course.

You really should read before you post.

Nah, I've just remembered that 'You don't have to attend every argument you're invited to', especially with people who are just being rude and unpleasant. So I'll say toodle-pip.

I'll just leave you with a question of how many of these Muslim rioters ended up with jail time? They tried to batter down a pub door, frightening the people inside, damaged cars, attacked journalists.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1jll4rk7w5o

They were charged, but no link in the bbc article to a court appearance or jail time. No mug shot.

I honestly don't know, because they seem to have disappeared from the media, with no outcome mentioned. Remember how justice needs to be seen to be done? If they did get an equal penalty, then it needs to be shown.

So basically you came up with a claim/belief but cannot provide any examples....

Its how you feeeel.

You're deflecting because you don't have any examples, strange since it happens so often.

Where was the "aggressive language"? And nobody was "berating" you. The poster asked you, very normally, to evidence an often repeated claim you have made. As they said, since it happens all the time (you say) then there will be a great many such examples. Perhas if you provided the evidence for your claims rather than simply making sweeping statements without any evidence, people might understand your point better?

Your aggressive language shows you're not asking in good faith. I can't be bothered giving you more reasons to berate me. I'm trying to help you to understand why people are reacting this way (And no. It's not stupidity or racism) but there's no point.

Could you give some examples? Cases where exactly the same crime occurred, under the same circumstances and the outcomes were completely different. There must be loads if it happens time and time again.

Despite attempts on here and in the media to notch up distrust, the majority still have faith in the justice system.

Ironically, its black people who many feel will get a rough deal, not white middle class....

With those on the right, having the biggest chip on their shoulders.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50319-is-there-two-tier-policing-in-the-uk

If it happened just a few times, we'd put it down to inconsistencies. But it happens time and time again. So we start to notice the different language used, and we start to look out for cases where people biased-against or not have done similar things, to compare the outcomes.

When the trend plays out yet again - with an outcome which seems blatantly and predictably inappropriate - it strengthens our perception of two-tier justice, and ratchets the anger and distrust up another notch.

It happens at many different points in the process: how police treat a suspect or victim, whether they investigate, whether to arrest or not, whether to bail or not, the language used by the prime minister and in the media, advice given to the jury by the judge, and sentencing including whether to suspend it.

Because we observe outcomes, and notice the trend where one group often end up with different outcomes - whether as victims or perpetrators - than the other. More often than can be explained by 'oh, that's just inconsistencies in our jury-based system'.

There's enough leeway in the process that systematic bias can result in different outcomes even when the process hasn't actually been violated - just consistently interpreted less favourably for one group than the other.

I think maybe it is you that is not understanding. Yes in this case the legal process may have been followed to the last detail but we can still look at the bigger picture and form an opinion that the justice system is often grossly unfair.

You are missing the point. I'm trying to highlight the fact that you don't know what took place within the trial. So how can you say it wasn't fair? You clearly don't like the outcome but that doesn't mean the process wasn't fair.