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Ricky Jones Cleared

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DancingFerret · 15/08/2025 12:33

Unbelievable (but not unexpected).

www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-15003437/Labour-councillor-cleared-cutting-throats-comment-rally.html

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Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:29

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:26

...and?

Anything can be bought up in defence, the judge can direct accordingly.

Once again, LC pleaded guilty.... there fore, of course, her defence had sailed....

Why is this a difficult concept for you?

😂😂oh dear.

Tell me - what did You see when you watched the video where Ricky incited people to slit other people’s throats?

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:28

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:26

Do you have any evidence that Connelly was coerced into pleading guilty? Have you considered the fact that she actually is guilty?

No. But it was completely different treatment to Ricky Jones.

And she has been denied an appeal.

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:27

But this only points to a further aspect of two-tier justice; namely, who has the means to fight their case. The privately-paid solicitor will naturally make sure his privately-paying client is aware of all the defences available to him. By contrast, the harried duty solicitor is not exactly best-placed to give considered advice.

That is nothing new, nor isolated to this case. People with money get better outcomes. If that upsets people now then where have they been these past 1,000 years ?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:27

The Spectator 🙄

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:27

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:18

"Evidently"

So you have hard proof of your allegations.... goody, look forward to reading them.

The evidence is that Ricky Jones has walked free whilst Lucy Connolly is in prison, following a judicial process which treated them differently Confused

What's your hard proof for your touching trust that the system is fair, hasn't gone awry, and doesn't need fixing?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:26

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:23

‘One important difference is that, whereas Lucy Connolly pleaded guilty last summer, Ricky Jones fought his charges in court (defended by a silk from Garden Court chambers).

But this only points to a further aspect of two-tier justice; namely, who has the means to fight their case. The privately-paid solicitor will naturally make sure his privately-paying client is aware of all the defences available to him. By contrast, the harried duty solicitor is not exactly best-placed to give considered advice.

Either way, I suspect few who hear about these two cases will care very much about distinctions like guilty and not guilty pleas. Most will simply compare the two ‘offences’ with the respective punishments doled out, and judge for themselves.

Crucially, like most of those arrested at the time, Lucy Connolly was denied bail. Facing a potential delay of months inside while awaiting trial, she may have felt that she had no choice but to plead guilty to the charges laid before her. This element of potential coercion was perhaps the starkest example of ‘two-tier justice’. Since Jones was granted bail, he had more than a year to prepare his defence after multiple delays to his trial.

Two-tier justice exists across multiple realities and manifestations; from the granting of bail to financial disparity – not to mention the fact that activist lawyers are sometimes only too happy to waive fees where they agree with the accused. ‘

And look at the silk who defended him attached here, a Very Interesting and depressing read) . The chambers who defences. Hamas and are very left wing.

Again Labour stinks from top to bottom.

Do you have any evidence that Connelly was coerced into pleading guilty? Have you considered the fact that she actually is guilty?

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:26

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:20

Indeed part of his defence was that he has ADHD and suffered from ‘emotional arousal’ 🤯🤯🤯🤯

‘By way of mitigating circumstances, Jones’s defence argued that he may have been affected by ADHD, and suffered from ‘emotional arousal’ which could ‘override deliberate decision-making’ (which presumably therefore made it harder to understand the impact of calling for throats to be slit).

Lucy Connolly’s potential mitigations as the mother of a young daughter, who had previously lost her infant son in tragic circumstances which naturally made her sensitive to the news of murdered children, seem not to have mattered as much. ‘

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ricky-jones-and-the-reality-of-two-tier-justice/

...and?

Anything can be bought up in defence, the judge can direct accordingly.

Once again, LC pleaded guilty.... there fore, of course, her defence had sailed....

Why is this a difficult concept for you?

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:23

‘One important difference is that, whereas Lucy Connolly pleaded guilty last summer, Ricky Jones fought his charges in court (defended by a silk from Garden Court chambers).

But this only points to a further aspect of two-tier justice; namely, who has the means to fight their case. The privately-paid solicitor will naturally make sure his privately-paying client is aware of all the defences available to him. By contrast, the harried duty solicitor is not exactly best-placed to give considered advice.

Either way, I suspect few who hear about these two cases will care very much about distinctions like guilty and not guilty pleas. Most will simply compare the two ‘offences’ with the respective punishments doled out, and judge for themselves.

Crucially, like most of those arrested at the time, Lucy Connolly was denied bail. Facing a potential delay of months inside while awaiting trial, she may have felt that she had no choice but to plead guilty to the charges laid before her. This element of potential coercion was perhaps the starkest example of ‘two-tier justice’. Since Jones was granted bail, he had more than a year to prepare his defence after multiple delays to his trial.

Two-tier justice exists across multiple realities and manifestations; from the granting of bail to financial disparity – not to mention the fact that activist lawyers are sometimes only too happy to waive fees where they agree with the accused. ‘

And look at the silk who defended him attached here, a Very Interesting and depressing read) . The chambers who defences. Hamas and are very left wing.

Again Labour stinks from top to bottom.

The radical barristers who really lay down the law in Britain

The facade of Garden Court Chambers in Lincoln’s Inn Fields is reassuringly traditional. The barristers who work there occupy buildings which were once home to the Earl of Sandwich and the Tory prime minister Spencer Perceval. If there were any buildin...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-radical-barristers-who-really-lay-down-the-law-in-britain/

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:22

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:16

In my opinion everyone in the UK should be treated the same by our justice system, yes.

Their political views (within the constraints of the law, eg not supporting terrorist organisations) should not matter.

Expected social or community opinion/reaction should in no way change the process followed for them or the outcome of any case against them.

Everyone should be equal under the law. Equally constrained. Equally protected.

That shouldn't be controversial. It's currently evidently not the case.

You're contradicting yourself. You seem to be arguing that Connelly and Jones should be treated exactly the same by the judicial system even though the laws they broke, the circumstances of the offence and their pleas were different.

You've been peppering your posts with misinformation eg bail, sentence and charges.

Expected social or community opinion/reaction should in no way change the process followed for them or the outcome of any case against them.

Yet you're saying that the outcome reached by the jury is wrong because it doesn't meet the expectations of the chronically uninformed on social media.

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:22

Lucy Connolly’s potential mitigations as the mother of a young daughter, who had previously lost her infant son in tragic circumstances which naturally made her sensitive to the news of murdered children, seem not to have mattered as much. ‘

Potential mitigation. She should have elected to put that in front of a jury.

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:20

For people who feel she was badly advised, the Court of Appeal didn't seem to agree.

(Are we allowed to post facts ?)

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King-1.pdf

Court of Appeal Judgment Template

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King-1.pdf

LimpysGotCancer · 16/08/2025 12:20

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:18

It doesn't matter which group he was referring to, or how abhorrent you or I think their political opinions are.

The are equally protected by the law.

So you don't know, and haven't watched the video, then?
Or is it just that you don't want to answer the question? It's a simple question.

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:20

Indeed part of his defence was that he has ADHD and suffered from ‘emotional arousal’ 🤯🤯🤯🤯

‘By way of mitigating circumstances, Jones’s defence argued that he may have been affected by ADHD, and suffered from ‘emotional arousal’ which could ‘override deliberate decision-making’ (which presumably therefore made it harder to understand the impact of calling for throats to be slit).

Lucy Connolly’s potential mitigations as the mother of a young daughter, who had previously lost her infant son in tragic circumstances which naturally made her sensitive to the news of murdered children, seem not to have mattered as much. ‘

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ricky-jones-and-the-reality-of-two-tier-justice/

Ricky Jones and the reality of two-tier justice

This may be looked back on as the week when two-tier justice moved from being an accusation to a statement of incontrovertible fact. The stark difference in treatment of Ricky Jones, the former Labour councillor accused of encouraging violent disorder ...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ricky-jones-and-the-reality-of-two-tier-justice/

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:18

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:16

In my opinion everyone in the UK should be treated the same by our justice system, yes.

Their political views (within the constraints of the law, eg not supporting terrorist organisations) should not matter.

Expected social or community opinion/reaction should in no way change the process followed for them or the outcome of any case against them.

Everyone should be equal under the law. Equally constrained. Equally protected.

That shouldn't be controversial. It's currently evidently not the case.

"Evidently"

So you have hard proof of your allegations.... goody, look forward to reading them.

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:18

LimpysGotCancer · 16/08/2025 12:14

Of course I watched it. I make sure I'm well informed and aware of all the facts before opining on a subject. Don't you do the same? (Your other posts don't give me much hope to be honest.)

Did you watch it? Could you then please clarify for me exactly which specific group of people he was referring to? (Hint: it's not "protesters" or "people he disagrees with".)

It doesn't matter which group he was referring to, or how abhorrent you or I think their political opinions are.

The are equally protected by the law.

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:17

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:16

Oh no! If you call them morons, they vote Reform!

Odd that. You'd think they'd want to prove they aren't morons instead ....

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:16

DuncinToffee · 16/08/2025 12:14

Juries are randomly selected members of the public. Men and women from all walks of life and all political backgrounds.

Only a moron of irredeemable proportions would even think of suggesting that a jury verdict represents some deep state “two-tier justice”.

The Secret Barrister

Oh no! If you call them morons, they vote Reform!

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:16

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/08/2025 12:09

I get it. In your opinion, "two tier justice" means that everyone, irrespective of the law and context, should be treated the same. Makes sense.

In my opinion everyone in the UK should be treated the same by our justice system, yes.

Their political views (within the constraints of the law, eg not supporting terrorist organisations) should not matter.

Expected social or community opinion/reaction should in no way change the process followed for them or the outcome of any case against them.

Everyone should be equal under the law. Equally constrained. Equally protected.

That shouldn't be controversial. It's currently evidently not the case.

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:16

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:10

Or you.

This is a discussion forum.

I dunno, a few facts do seep in.

DuncinToffee · 16/08/2025 12:14

Juries are randomly selected members of the public. Men and women from all walks of life and all political backgrounds.

Only a moron of irredeemable proportions would even think of suggesting that a jury verdict represents some deep state “two-tier justice”.

The Secret Barrister

LimpysGotCancer · 16/08/2025 12:14

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 16/08/2025 12:04

What did You see when you watched the video of Ricky Jones inciting people to slit the throat of other people?

Or let me guess.. you didn’t watch it? Easier that way, isn’t it?

Of course I watched it. I make sure I'm well informed and aware of all the facts before opining on a subject. Don't you do the same? (Your other posts don't give me much hope to be honest.)

Did you watch it? Could you then please clarify for me exactly which specific group of people he was referring to? (Hint: it's not "protesters" or "people he disagrees with".)

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:12

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:10

That's just your opinion.

An increasing number of examples are totally different.

Of course, but you've yet to explain or produce evidence of jury rigging and judges being influenced by the Govt of the day.... which is what you re saying is happening in the UK.

Alexandra2001 · 16/08/2025 12:10

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:06

She pleaded guilty, yes. After being held in custody without bail for 3 months.

Whereas Jones was released on bail immediately.

That's where the 2 tier justice started.

No, she admitted the offence the same day as being arrested.

strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 12:10

SerendipityJane · 16/08/2025 12:09

Jacob Rees Mogg is just a person with an opinion

So no different to you then.

Or you.

This is a discussion forum.

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