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This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

916 replies

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 12:33

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

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Extravirginolive · 03/08/2025 22:23

Labour won't.

The Labour councils and police support and protection of child rape gangs is the most depraved public sector failure imaginable.

ThisOldThang · 03/08/2025 22:04

Extravirginolive · 03/08/2025 21:36

More councils pushing back. This letter gets straight to the point.

Just to add that Warwickshire County Council are now Reform.

I doubt Labour or Conservative council leaders would be writing robust letters taking the police to task for covering up a suspected asylum seeker rape of a 12 year old girl and demanding the closure of all migrant hotels and HMOs in the county.

Bumble6 · 03/08/2025 22:00

I am not a supporter of Reform by any means but I do feel, as others have said, that the days of just labelling anyone who vaguely supports anything from Reform as racist, fascist or stupid are gone.
There are many people who live in areas where there are large amounts of illegal immigrants who are genuinely concerned for theirs and their children's safety. Of course there will be those amongst the people coming here who are decent people looking for a better life but as we have seen many times over now, there are also those who wish to commit awful criminal acts and whose beliefs, especially towards women, are very different to ours here. We have no idea who these people are or where they have come from and there are criminals making huge amounts of money trafficking them here. How can this be a good thing from any point of view?

I definitely do not want Farage as prime minister, I think it would be a disaster. However, I also think the tide is turning in this country and there are many people who have genuine concerns about illegal immigration that shouldn't be rubbished just because they don't happen to be affecting you personally.

Labour need to wake up FAST.

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 21:55

ThisOldThang · 03/08/2025 21:42

How anybody can look at situations such as this and be against solutions such as Rwanda is beyond me.

So long as they've got that nice warm fuzzy feeling for being a 'nice person', it doesn't matter what happens as a direct consequence of the policies they support.

Narcissistic sociopaths.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/03/council-leader-police-cover-up-rape-asylum-seekers/

Agree. It’s a harrowing read. Just awful.

Cattenberg · 03/08/2025 21:49

taxguru · 03/08/2025 17:21

Lots of small flats in 55+ small blocks of flats around here, but no one seems to want them. Some are really cheap too! When I last did a Rightmove search for 1 bed flats there were around 50, when I filtered out the retirement complexes it came down to around 5!! A lot of older people simply don't want to live in retirement flats surrounded by "old" people!!

My home town is just like this! Its population is significantly older than the UK average and that is only likely to increase as developers keep building more and more retirement complexes and very few homes for first-time buyers.

I'm not sure our local Council has the power to change this, as our current planning laws mean that unsuitable developments often get planning permission. If councillors vote to reject such a development, the developer will take the council to court and probably win, leaving the Council with a big legal bill it can't really afford.

Whilst I don't know the history of our planning laws, I tend to blame the Tories, because they had 14 years to make sure that our planning laws were fit for purpose and they clearly didn't.

Bumble6 · 03/08/2025 21:47

Extravirginolive · 03/08/2025 21:36

More councils pushing back. This letter gets straight to the point.

This is such an awful case

ThisOldThang · 03/08/2025 21:42

Extravirginolive · 03/08/2025 21:36

More councils pushing back. This letter gets straight to the point.

How anybody can look at situations such as this and be against solutions such as Rwanda is beyond me.

So long as they've got that nice warm fuzzy feeling for being a 'nice person', it doesn't matter what happens as a direct consequence of the policies they support.

Narcissistic sociopaths.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/03/council-leader-police-cover-up-rape-asylum-seekers/

Extravirginolive · 03/08/2025 21:36

More councils pushing back. This letter gets straight to the point.

This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?
ThisOldThang · 03/08/2025 21:35

Labour only ever talk about smashing the gangs. They never talk about reducing the numbers.

They have zero intention of stopping the boats. They don't see a problem with the boats and they don't care if you don't want the boats.

As Aana Soubry said during the Brexit process 'Suck it up.'

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 21:32

Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2025 21:17

So you keep telling us but without ever saying where we should send migrants too???

Thats because you've not got a clue which country would accept 5 or 10k migrants.....

If only it were so simple.... Italy, Austria etc would have done it, far right Govt's, with mandate... cannot find a country willing to take part....

Who knew!!!

I don’t answer because it’s the same badgering on every thread. You first need to accept the numbers will be low.

If you do actually accept that then great. Can you?

TheNuthatch · 03/08/2025 21:23

Labour should have at least tried Rwanda. But no, they were too pig-headed because they could smash the gangs instead.

Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2025 21:17

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 21:06

Yes numbers would drop to near zero in some years.

Perhaps something else will happen before the next GE but if the numbers keep going up then I think people will want a system change.

So you keep telling us but without ever saying where we should send migrants too???

Thats because you've not got a clue which country would accept 5 or 10k migrants.....

If only it were so simple.... Italy, Austria etc would have done it, far right Govt's, with mandate... cannot find a country willing to take part....

Who knew!!!

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 21:06

User32459 · 03/08/2025 20:22

"run out of money to house". We're paying billions and billions a year now as it is to house them.

If you have deterrents and take away incentives the numbers will drop. Labour have removed any deterrents and numbers have gone through the roof because they know once here they're here for good and then can bring their families over once their claim is granted. In the meantime they can lap it up in a hotel with everything provided for them and can come and go as they please.

Yes numbers would drop to near zero in some years.

Perhaps something else will happen before the next GE but if the numbers keep going up then I think people will want a system change.

Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2025 20:36

User32459 · 03/08/2025 20:22

"run out of money to house". We're paying billions and billions a year now as it is to house them.

If you have deterrents and take away incentives the numbers will drop. Labour have removed any deterrents and numbers have gone through the roof because they know once here they're here for good and then can bring their families over once their claim is granted. In the meantime they can lap it up in a hotel with everything provided for them and can come and go as they please.

Numbers are no higher than in 2022! an easy google!!

Its costing billions, yes it is, keeping people in hotels turned into prisons and detention centres for 5 10 or 15 ++ years will cost billions more.

Yes, they are here for good, whether its in a hotel or a hotel with razor wire... i'm glad you release that.

If we really wanted a deterrent, we'd send to the Falklands, no 3rd country to pay, just building costs for a detention centre, say housing 5 to 10k..... imprisoned indefinitely.... a UK version of Guantanamo Bay

You happy with that?

User32459 · 03/08/2025 20:22

Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2025 20:10

Ok so turn our town centre hotels into prisons..... the level of secuurity will be very high, think guards, razor wire fences etc etc....

Build new detention centres.... ok

How does this stop more arrivals? at a point in time, the country will run out of money to house and will release them........ they then enter the black economy and work.... happy days! More keep coming...

Try again..... with your 5 minute solution....

"run out of money to house". We're paying billions and billions a year now as it is to house them.

If you have deterrents and take away incentives the numbers will drop. Labour have removed any deterrents and numbers have gone through the roof because they know once here they're here for good and then can bring their families over once their claim is granted. In the meantime they can lap it up in a hotel with everything provided for them and can come and go as they please.

Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2025 20:10

User32459 · 03/08/2025 20:04

Detain them within the hotel grounds for now if needs be, with extra security, but start building detention centres for further arrivals.

Ok so turn our town centre hotels into prisons..... the level of secuurity will be very high, think guards, razor wire fences etc etc....

Build new detention centres.... ok

How does this stop more arrivals? at a point in time, the country will run out of money to house and will release them........ they then enter the black economy and work.... happy days! More keep coming...

Try again..... with your 5 minute solution....

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 20:10

Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2025 20:06

Do you follow the news? i doubt it but fyi 100k have crossed already, so they have to be dealt with..... many currently in hotels

lol at the attempt at insult as per.

Yes I follow the news, it’s very high under Labour isn’t it?

That isn’t great for a smash the gang pledge, what happened?

Nagginthenag · 03/08/2025 20:08

taxguru · 03/08/2025 17:21

Lots of small flats in 55+ small blocks of flats around here, but no one seems to want them. Some are really cheap too! When I last did a Rightmove search for 1 bed flats there were around 50, when I filtered out the retirement complexes it came down to around 5!! A lot of older people simply don't want to live in retirement flats surrounded by "old" people!!

The over 55 housing is an absolute scandal - there's plenty in the press about it. It's no wonder no-one wants to live in these places.

If there were genuine properties catering to older people I'm sure many would be happy to downsize. Not if they're going to be ripped off though. Just search for over 55 housing scandal.

Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2025 20:06

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 19:59

You’ll get posts re 100k numbers or whatever when it’s easy to see numbers are very low when a successful deterrent is used. This is said on every thread.

Do you follow the news? i doubt it but fyi 100k have crossed already, so they have to be dealt with..... many currently in hotels

User32459 · 03/08/2025 20:06

taxguru · 03/08/2025 19:38

None of that will happen under Human Rights lawyer Starmer who's as wet as they come.

Of course not, we've got 4 more years of this because he'll do nothing but Reform have 4 years to plan. Not that we'll have much of a country left in 4 years.

User32459 · 03/08/2025 20:04

Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2025 19:38

So lets say 100k migrants have already crossed the channel, thats more than the UK s prison population, we would have to build another 100 prisons/detention centres, each housing 1000.

Where? staffing? costs? timescales to build?

All pie in the sky

Detain them within the hotel grounds for now if needs be, with extra security, but start building detention centres for further arrivals.

EasternStandard · 03/08/2025 19:59

User32459 · 03/08/2025 19:14

Either exit or ignore ECHR.

Make it clear that any arrivals will be detained until their claim is heard. No benefits, no roaming around town.

Have a high bar for granting any asylum claims. Anyone undocumented and not fully vetted will not be granted asylum.

You need to have a will. The problem is the country is so soft and liberal that these NGOs and illegals are running rings around us. It'll take a backbone and the numbers would largely stop.

You’ll get posts re 100k numbers or whatever when it’s easy to see numbers are very low when a successful deterrent is used. This is said on every thread.

Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2025 19:42

taxguru · 03/08/2025 19:38

None of that will happen under Human Rights lawyer Starmer who's as wet as they come.

It wont happen because its a beyond stupid idea, with zero thought.

Plus as we have no way of actually deporting most migrants, France wont take them and neither will their home countries, we would be stuck with imprisoning people in detention centres for ever more......

Yeah Great Idea!!

Alexandra2001 · 03/08/2025 19:40

Rentitis · 03/08/2025 19:19

I was not talking about CGT on the primary residence. UK exempts this - as do France and Germany once a property has been owned for a certain number of years.

I was referring to IHT on primary residences.

So European countries hit the seller with CGT, we hit them with IHT.... which the property owner wont pay as he/she is dead.... & presumably past caring....

taxguru · 03/08/2025 19:39

BurntBroccoli · 03/08/2025 19:29

I meant social one bedroomed accommodation. I don’t think a pensioner would be able to get a mortgage, especially if they had no property to sell having lived in social housing for most of their adult lives.

I was talking about rentals, not purchases.

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