This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

You use the navy and technology. You have a stringent identification process in the country so everyone is identified for routine daily life, and those that are without the correct paperwork are deported immediately - just as it would be the case in many other countries.

How do you have border control on an island?

Over 800 landed on a beach in Crete yesterday morning alarming tourists who'd settled down for a session. Was amazing to see the overcrowding in the boats, many jumped in the water and waded ashore.

I'm in Wales and old enough to remember the Irish troubles. Those terrorists would travel through Wales to get their bombs and guns into England. Back then our police force had many vehicles bristling with weapons which the officers were trained to use. The roads were watched, vehicles stopped to prevent somewhere in England being blown up. Was a lot easier to catch them on our roads before they reached England's motorway networks.

I pray we don't need to go back to that system, but it's up to today's government.

People wanting this stuff when you could just have border control instead.

Digital ID would help as well

We wouldn't need to guard them, just move them away from communities. Most crimes are opportunistic, so moving them somewhere fairly isolated would vastly reduce the crimes. If councils also stopped their eligibility for half-price mopeds, that would also reduce their participation in black economy work.

There's no silver bullet, but there are plenty of measures which could reduce or mitigate the problems. If the political will is there.

I think that the first thing we can do without breaking treaties is just deny a path to citizenship to anyone who arrives as a refugee. There will be no way to earn it through passage of time. You will never be entitled to the same benefits. You will never get a state pension. You will never have a council tax that can be passed down, even if you and your children are accommodated. The state can send you back to your home country if it becomes safer for you at any time. The U.K. can then award citizenship to those who make a positive contribution of a defined level. 10 years working in the NHS, paying lots of tax etc. Or potentially to selected women and children arriving via humanitarian routes. The U.K. will never be fully responsible for you having a good independent life, only for keeping you alive and providing basic shelter. Sounds harsh, but it feels necessary.

Even Reform aren't talking about Australia are they? Farage wants Army camps used to house migrants until they are deported....though of course he cannot say where they would be deported when the countries of origin refuse... oh actually he has... send back to France....

Who knew we had so many derelict Army camps and 1000s of armed security guards needed....

We could accept that there's nothing we can do and we will just have to continue providing accommodation, clothing, healthcare etc to unlimited numbers of young men entering our country. And if crimes occur and communities are riven with conflict, that's just collateral damage.

If Reform can resolve this, then good luck to them. Although it would be much better to sort it out now.

I’m fine with all of Australia’s policies. If that’s what you’re advocating for then great, go ahead.

ID cards do little in Germany btw but I can see Labour might try.

Strong borders is way better, citizens have more security and freedoms. All those moaning about not being able to do similar (due to loyalty to Labour) would see how it is if we ever get to the same.

No one would vote it out.

I honestly think we are going to have to give up. Realistically, no one gets deported, or if they do they hop straight back in again. Even rapists etc have legal teams fighting against deportation.

Italy are paying Libya to hold the line. Now Libya has turned to Greece (huge numbers arriving there) and demanded money in return for stalling migrants. Every country will be funnelling on migrants through. The UK is the magnet.

Labour won't solve the migrant issue because they're all globalists. Starmer is also a human rights lawyer.

UK are the mugs of Europe. Govt can't do anything about it because they don't want to. All they really want is to shut people up.

Yes the one in one out is still going ahead, we also need to get on with a form of ID card, the ease of illegal working in this country is incredibly easy.

You missed the bit when i said "i 'm in favour of a Rwanda style scheme when there is a country willing to accept the initial large numbers"

Which whilst you don't accept is needed, other pp's have agreed and that there is a lag....
You also don't accept the Turnback aspect of the Australia policy, we may find a country but we have no chance of Turnback do we?

Its got nothing to do with who comes up with the policy, thats childish, its about what works.

We cannot keep allowing in 10s of '000s x ch migrants, its totally unsustainable, at the rate its going we will run out of Hotel space and allowing migrants into private rented is even more madness....

Anyone who has tried to rent recently will be joining a very long queue & have deep pockets.

Still waiting with bated breath for “one in one out” to get going. Will anyone know?

Idk what’s happening to the ‘one in one out’ thing but if that doesn’t happen or work then I don’t see why we wouldn’t look at either country as models which are successful.

I’d say because of party preference the pp is against on every thread, as it wouldn’t be Labour who suggest it.

Other than that there’s no reason not to pick up on what works.

Also the reference to Italy is still based on a misunderstanding. They are not proposing the Aus system, it’s just processing.

There’s so much but numbers, but where, on every thread and it’s been answered every time.

What do people who don’t like the Danish and Australian models suggest?

Just give up? Pretend it’s not happening?

Can you scroll back to where I and others said Rwanda?

I know Labour scrapped it which might cost them the next GE but it is posted clearly.

Can you see the answer? If you can you can stop asking yes?

You do realise that i don't have to agree with you? anymore than you with me....

esp when you cannot say which country and when all you do is, on every thread say "But Australia..."

Completely ignoring their policy was totally different and they had political geography on their side, Nauru/PND economically dependent on Aus, so couldn't say no!

Italy sees 3000 per month as a deterrent, you see 300 in a year.....

How can you repeat the same thing in every post at this point?

@AzurePandahas answered you on numbers, others have too.

The location has been said a few posts ago, how are you missing it?

.... nope, numbers wouldn't be low to start with, 300 in a year isn't going to deter 500 to 1000 per day... why would it?

The vast majority, know they are staying in the UK.

You just keep going on about Australia, but completely ignore that the UK doesn't have a handy off shore Island and that until they used "Turnback" numbers kept going up.....

For people to be deterred, the majority have to, initially, be deported, once the deterrent kicks in, then of course, numbers drop BUT you need that initial capacity.... 300 in a year isn't that.

So Italy, is looking at 3000 PER MONTH to Albania..... that shows the scale of the problem and deterrent needed!

Rwanda also went into negotiations with Italy. They seem pretty willing. For a price, of course - but might still be good value for us.

You suggested the Falklands. That's rather politically sensitive, but we do have some islands with very low population in the Atlantic...

I wouldn’t trust Farage and Reform an inch to replace everything in a British Rights bill! It wouldn’t be internationally recognised. What about the GFA? That would take years and years to renegotiate and do you really want a return to the troubles in Ireland?
What about the majority of people who don’t want this? It would create massive dissent in the population.

You are still doing this 1000 a day thing. People explain the low numbers with the Aus system then you revert in the next post.