This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

Are you for real? 😅
Nobody can distinguish between real and fake gems (which begs the question: what’s the point of buying real ones anyway? but I digress…) Potential thieves probably think you are wearing fakes and that’s why they don’t care. They want watches, mobile phones and credit cards nowadays.
Btw don’t tell me you are wearing all those fancy diamonds and don’t have money for a taxi at nighttime somewhere in Chelsea or Knightsbridge. Because I don’t believe you are walking home alone covered in diamonds somewhere in Bermondsey at 2am after lager and kebab 😆

I’m happy here still but in answer to your last question yes. Just watching the how resistant people are to policies they have makes me glad it is an option though.

Well, they'll have to follow Australia's immigration rules- which Australia sets - and apply for visas, get jobs, prove themselves to be contributors and good citizens, and eventually get PLR and then maybe after many decades citizenship.

No one is suggesting they go to Australia in a dinghy and join the black economy as a taxi driver under a fake id, or pretend to need asylum when actually they just want a different life.

Are you usually so unable to appreciate nuance, or is it only on political subjects which the wokies scream insults about to try to shut down reasonable political debate?

There used to be an age cut off.

The people who are going to leave because of migrants will themselves become migrants? Will Australia (for example) let them in?

Yes this. I agree on your ID card view and what would be needed.

I don't think ID cards are a good solution: they're too easy to get around and fake (this is the kind of arms race the criminals always win - because the gain to them is higher than the cost to the authorities to combat the fraud) and imposes too much social cost on the population.

I think offshore processing is probably necessary, along with immigration policies like Denmarks around not allowing dependents, only temporary granting of asylum, and a far higher bar to get permanent residency.

Much tighter legal immigration too - in particular having different rights to bring in dependents/pass on nationality depending on whether you were born British or acquired British nationality: in order to prevent cascade immigration. (that's very normal, including many EU countries - really weird that we don't).

Here we go again..... Deported to where? many countries either don't accept back migrants or we have no transport links with.

Many countries.... such as?

ID cards only work if there is enforcement.

It will but as a country it’s got the toughest border policies so anyone lamenting Reform and moving there are just going to the version that has done what some here would love to do. Incidentally I don’t mind their policies I might go there if we don’t sort it out.

@bumble6yes either countries are attractive with soft policies and have the same tensions, hardline ones and ok on tensions or are not places people will choose.

The process of deporting the first Channel migrants under a new deal with France will begin within days, Sir Keir Starmer has announced.

The Prime Minister disclosed that Britain had ratified a treaty with France which means those entering the UK on a small boat can now be detained on arrival and returned across the Channel.

It is believed that around 50 migrants will be returned to France each week, with the numbers expected to climb by the end of the year.
Migrants will be detained for deportation in the coming days before being deported.

Let’s see how this plays out - my bet is that the actual numbers returned proves to be the square root of fuck all.

I agree. A lot of Europe is becoming more right wing and strict with their immigration/refugee laws.
Australia, Canada etc have clamped down too.
Countries like Argentina have had large amounts of illegal immigration but now has a president who is right wing with various, dubious beliefs.
Iran has one of the largest amounts of refugees, a huge amount of which are now being deported even with their kids who were born in Iran.

Australia?

Climate change is bringing different problems there though.

Interesting. I can’t think where has no migration issues but also no hardline policies.

It's unlikely that we would end up in the EU.

I’m more interested in which country isn’t experiencing migration pressures and tensions than the personal take.

A fair few EU countries have similar strain to here I’d say Greece, Italy, France, ROI and those countries that don’t already have hardline measures - eg Aus, Poland or Denmark.

People threatening to go in 4 years because Reform might get in. People are leaving in their droves NOW because of Labour. If they got in again you'd see a mass exodus of Brits.

I won't say on here because the specific combination would be quite outing but we currently have 3 options where we could move straight away without a visa. It's most likely that we would go back to the country where DH and I first met, where we both speak the language and where we still have permanent residence. However, it would also depend somewhat on my dd's plans. We would want to be as near to her as possible.

I'm not even a conservative but we need to do most of this urgently. We've been too liberal for too long. You need an equilibrium. The problem is the Conservative Party weren't conservative they governed as liberals for 14 years. And we know what a Labour Party are going to do with taxes and open borders and all the rest of it. Therefore is the 14 years of the non-Conservative Party that's distorted everything.

Where do you plan to go?

Impossible to say. Probably not if we're happily settled elsewhere, but it would depend on multiple factors - a lot would depend on what our adult dd decided to do, I doubt that we would bother going back if she wasn't there. I know she wouldn't stay if Reform got in, but I guess she might go back if they were voted out and it looked like it might be possible to repair the damage. Only time will tell.

To be fair, if i knew that dangerous, creepy men like Nigel Farage were around I'd hesitate to go out on my own.

Farage is now claiming that it's not possible to go out in London after nine wearing jewellery! Is he actually high, or insane?
I've been doing this with diamonds on both hands and in my ears for most of the last 40 years and I've never been the victim of any sort of crime.

Our labour MP certainly isn't. She was a councillor who was like a rabbit caught in the headlights When she won. When questioned either says speak to your county council it's their responsibility or sorry it's devolved to the Senedd speak to your representative there.

Chocolate teapot comes to mind.

No, I don't actually want to leave so I will do everything I can to stop Reform getting in. But if they do get in - and I think they probably will - then I will have no option but to go.

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves If Reform get in at the next election but then are replaced by Labour at the one following that, will you return to UK?

Thank you for sharing. The 6/7 thousand comments on that article, many very eloquent and knowledgeable just reinforce to me once again that mumsnet largely a far-left extremist bubble and not at all reflective of the general population of the UK.