This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

Plus pledges to end use of hotels and smash the gangs are coming back to bite.

Good!

"Farage is Johnson mark 2, in being a privileged twit out to feather his own nest first and foremost"
So just like multi millionaire Starmer then? With his tax free pension....now remind me who brought in that law? Oh yeah Starmer brought in the law to ensure his own pension was tax free yet is now talking about taxing pensioners.........

The facts are where the key to all this lies - record UK immigration - 1.3m (900k net) droppingn a bit but not enough. The 1st 30 year sof my life we had about zero - a few some year and more leaving than coming the next. The 2nd (the last 30 years) we have had vastly increased numbers up to the recent record highs and yet not enough housing, NHS etc etc for everyone so it is just a sheer numbers issue. That is just lawful immigration. There are about 1m illegals in the UK and Labour has removed about 19,000 so the person saying there are removals - yes there are but we need to remove about 1m people not 19,000.

Read the article.

Whats wrong with the protests?

Whats wrong with the protests?

Farage wants to make America light. He wants to ban abortion. He wants to stoke culture division and race wars. He wants to go down in the history books and he doesn’t care what for.

There is a lot wrong with the protests.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/epping-hotel-protests-migrants-neo-nazi-b2795022.html

In what way will it be bad? Why should people start getting their ducks in a row? I am genuinely asking and not being goady.

Starmer is truly out of his depth. Reeves crying because it all got too much for her and she realised that she was doing a shit job and everyone knows. Streeting with that smug, shiny look saying he would sort out the Dr's strike if it had been him. It now IS him! He didnt negotiate at all last time which means they come back for more and more.

There are ways, get the trainee Drs to commit to staying within the NHS for xx years, remove some of their student debt. They have more applications then they know what to do with. Sort out the shit show that is the NHS. Look at some nominal charges for using the services. Of course there will be howls of outrage from people who claim some dont have a penny to spend but we HAVE to do something about this rotten government dept that couldnt fight their way out of a paper bag.

@PropertyD well I disagree on that - I personally would be more than ok with Scandinavian style levels of tax and standards and subsidies where it matters- but that’s not what we are going to get because the right wing press would be all over it and to be frank the appetite and mentality in the UK isn’t about a sustainable society - it’s as Thatcher said all about the individual - so whilst I support labours underlying principles ( I vote Lib Dem by the way as a disclosure) the problem they have is you can end up with the worst of all worlds, tighter controls on some things , a flatter economy but still shit standards and services because the country has allowed things to get so out of control over last 15 years- be it housing, or land being used for uni private blocks rather than good social housing, allowing people to take the piss on benefits - I’m anti maintenance not being counted too towards benefits which I know won’t be popular but knowing someone who is claiming full housing benefit, plus cash benefits and is getting close on £1000 a month maintenance and not doing more than 8 hours work a week without much pressure really pisses me off that she’s better off than a single mum nurse or teacher working full time etc -

I don’t think it’s Labour that would open the floodgates to people leaving even if they moan, but I certainly think Farage would for those that have other options.

Farage and Tice are playing with fire at the moment re: their support for the Epping protests. It could easily blow up in their faces, especially given the neo-Nazi involvement.

You obviously don’t live next to a male migrant hotel. There’s nothing wrong with the Epping protests. If you had one of these next to your school and they were loitering, staring and following your kids home you would be concerned. If one of them was raped you would absolutely lose your shit too.

Male migrant hotels should not be in town centres. Should not be next to schools. And should have tight curfews. These are unvetted men from countries where they do not have the same culture framework or law as us.

The next election is several years away - so that means the polls we are seeing today are largely irrelevant.

I think everybody in the UK is keen to get control over illegal migration. And probably nobody wants a migrant hotel on their street. Both Labour and Conservative - and other similar political parties across Europe - absolutely get this and are now trying seriously to get a grip.

I also think that the vast majority of UK voters, from across the political spectrum, realise there is no easy solution. And almost all are smart enough to realise that stirring up mobs of far right thugs to attack these hotels and their occupants is not going to solve anything.

I hear people moaning about the costs of illegal migrants and the crimes some of these migrants commit. They have a point. But we hear an awful lot less about the costs of policing these nasty demonstrations and the crimes those involved are committing.

We also need to be acknowledging the role of hostile state actors - Russia - in weaponising these refugee flows and stirring the pot via social media.

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Wishful thinking I’m afraid. It’ll get Labour into more deep shit if they don’t face up to the facts. AR tried to say something the other day. They should listen to her more. But she’s a woman without a penis, innit.

I for one can’t wait for reform to take over. I voted for them last time and I will next time too.

I think it is worth remembering that the majority of the electorate don't support Reform and that Reform's support has slipped since the local elections. There is still a long way to go to 2029.

Farage and Tice are playing with fire at the moment re: their support for the Epping protests. It could easily blow up in their faces, especially given the neo-Nazi involvement.

Yes, probably.

There are many UK citizens who have seen it as a problem for years and consecutive governments have done little to address it.

Every government has acknowledged it as a problem but failed in their promises to address it.

So they'll veer towards the party who haven't had the opportunity to do something but say they'll do something and haven't already failed to do so.

How is that different to being a Reform voter?

I remember that time. Loads of signs on windows asking for staff. Or closures / reduced hours due to staff.

I do think importing the problem away was a bad idea. This was the time when businesses needed to go through a tough period and increase wages to attract staff. We missed that and now have an even bigger problem with col vs. wages.

No brainer I’m afraid. As the Democrats and Bernie Sanders enabled Trump and the Republicans in the US, Labour and Starmer et al are enabling Reform. Unless we have some sort of redemptive action from Labour in the next year or so. Chances?

The BMA are almost Marxist in their demands. They are also using very strange stats to prove that they need more and more.

They arent earning £15 per hour. They have left out all sorts of other allowances they get including the guaranteed pension. Others outside of the public sector have no such comfort. Reeves is after the private sector pensions. The more she does this the more people just wont save into the pension and surprise surprise they might well need state financial support. When Labour were looking to give a celing to pension pots someone said it would encourage all the senior Doctors to retire early. Then some numpty said they would make an exception for Doctors - what could possibly go wrong with making one occupation 'special'.

Farage says he wants to reopen a conversation on abortion. They are super scary.

But yes I think they are getting in. I have no idea what happened the last 5 or so years but the shift is crazy.

Yes, much worse. Wait and see.